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125 gr. 30/221 Exit Wound

Description: Even a little 125 gr. Ballistic Tip exited this WT. A decent size exit for such a little bullet.
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Whitworth
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Registered: January 2009
Location: Virginia
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Tue November 20, 2012 02:01

Can't argue with that!

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TCTex.
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Registered: September 2007
Location: Sherman Texas!
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Tue November 20, 2012 16:19 Rating: 10.00 

Thanks for posting these pictures!!


I am going to set up my 16in 300 Whisper for my Oldest Son


Duane

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Gregg Richter
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Registered: January 2004
Location: Pine, Colorado
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Tue November 20, 2012 17:20

It is amazing that the little cartridge does as well as it does, as it is not even very close to an anemic 30-30; all things kept in perspective. I am speaking of it's use in the supersonic version and specifically for big game hunting purposes.


Kind of going "backwards" in the velocity/energy/flat trajectory department. But it does have its "followers," and it does fill a "niche." And it does work, in certain situations where a mid velocity 30 caliber with the right bullet is all that is needed.

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TCTex.
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Wed November 21, 2012 15:26

Mr. Richter, with the long barrel versions that Franchise and I are shooting that little 125gr NBT is moving close to 2400fps. FWIW, I have confirmed mine with a chrony.


Duane

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Franchise
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Registered: December 2008
Location: Castalia, NC
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Wed November 21, 2012 17:44

Gregg, the only thing anemic about the 30/221, 300 Whisper, 300 Blackout - all the same round - is the recoil. The reason why this round has it's following is that it EQUALS the field performance of the 30/30 with one third to one half of the recoil. I am refering to 125 gr. bullets out of 14" handgun barrels. A little knowledge about the ballistics of this round may help you make a more educated statement. No disrespect, but this round surely isn't going backwards when compared to the 30/30. I agree with TCTex 2400 fps is not a problem with this round.
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Gregg Richter
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Wed November 21, 2012 21:30

So if the 300 Whisper quote "EQUALS the field performance of the 30/30 with one third to one half of the recoil" end quote... how is it that this can bypass the physics law of every action has an equal and opposite reaction? And by keeping all things in perspective, what are the results when loading both cartridges to the same pressures?


Thank you for the education. No disrespect intended.

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Franchise
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Thu November 22, 2012 04:10

Some laws were meant to be broken. It's amazing what different powders with different burn rates can do. Yes, it is "amazing" that 20.6 gr. of H110 (handgun powder) which the Whisper uses can duplicate what 42 or more grains of H332, H335, BL-C2, or Varget (rifle powder) which the 30/30 uses and do it with less recoil. Technology is a wonderful thing - LOL You know a lot of work went into designing a 30 cal. round that would duplicate the 30/30 performace out of a short barrel. A call to JD Jones may help explain this better.
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johnwilliams
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Registered: January 2010
Location: illinois
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Thu November 22, 2012 06:54 Rating: 10.00 

pretty good exit wound with that round...

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TCTex.
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Registered: September 2007
Location: Sherman Texas!
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Thu November 22, 2012 16:07

Franchise is right on...


I also have some rifle data from SSK using a 16.5in barrel that lists the same vel as what we are suggesting. I will see if I can find it and post it for you.


Duane

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