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#199559 - 05/08/19 10:09 AM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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I used CEB 340 grain solids in .480 Ruger (running right around 1,300 fps) on this water buffalo in Argentina. These are hard to beat for deep penetration.

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#199562 - 05/08/19 11:39 AM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
All bullets made from alloy are lighter than pure lead because of the density differences. A lead bullet will be shorter because it is heavier. A mono-metal bullet must be longer to weigh the same. If it is too long, it must be made shorter, even though it weighs less. That is just the reality of give-and-take that goes on when attributes are exchanged for what is actually able to be accomplished.



Speer used to make THE most excellent Dangerous Game Boolit.

THE AFRICAN GRAND SLAM...Heavy for its size. Allowing for lots

of room for powder.. These had a TUNGSTEN insert in them. Much

denser than lead.. Same density as GOLD.. No longer produced..

l think dropped when Speer got eaten by Vista 0utdoors...

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#199566 - 05/08/19 12:02 PM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: adbhowler]
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http://www.handgunhunt.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/142130/page/0/fpart/1

The CEB's are ridiculously accurate. I posted this thread a few years ago when I was working up loads for them in my 44mag and 475L.

I once used a sabot and a 44 cal CEB Raptor out of a CVA Optima handgun muzzleloader on a deer at 140 yards. It dropped on the spot and the trauma was impressive with a high shoulder shot and a complete pass through.

The wild thing about the bullet was that I later used a metal detector on the deer, and found one of the copper blades in the cartilage of it's ear!!

Unless I was going after the REALLY big critters...I would choose the Raptor(HP) over the solids.
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#199567 - 05/08/19 02:37 PM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: sw282]
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Well the Punch bullet has lead internally to add weight and reduce length. And tungsten inserted is the same approach as doing so with lead, but a denser material for sure. But my assertion was about mono metal bullets not bullets with anything inserted within.

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#199573 - 05/08/19 10:56 PM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Just replicating the bullet needs for culling elephants is all I am trying to accomplish. I bought a 7mm-08 for my son and I wanted to get some made for his round. It is my indulgence and practicality does not enter into the equation. And I prefer the bullets with a wider meplat too. But that is for my revolvers and not my rifle.


BACK WHEN SPEER DEVELOPED THEIR TUNGSTEN CORE SOLIDS THEY USED A NASA PROGRAM TO COME UP WITH THE OPTIMUM MEPLAT FOR BEST PENTRATION AND THOSE BULLETS HAD A FP, NOT "WFN" WIDE BUT FLAT MEPLAT NONETHELESS. DO NOT KNOW WHAT TYPE OF POINT/MEPLAT THE CEB SOLID RIFLE BULLETS HAVE BUT FLAT, AND NOT TOO WIDE, OUT PENETRATES ROUND OR SPIRE POINTS AND GOES STRAIGHTER. PONDORO TAYLOR, ORIGINATOR OF THE TKO FORMULA, PREFERRED "BUFF" OR "BLUNT" NOSED BULLETS. I DO NOT RECALL HIS EXACT TERMINOLOGY, NOR IN HIS WRITINGS WAS I EVER ABLE TO FIND A MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HE MEANT, BUT I BELIEVE HE WAS REFERRING TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN ROUND OR SPIRE POINT BULLETS.
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#199580 - 05/09/19 10:31 AM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: 45MAN]
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IMHO, the Punch and Lehigh are better bullets. They got the shape right.

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#199596 - 05/09/19 11:01 PM Re: Solids from Cutting Edge Bullets [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Just replicating the bullet needs for culling elephants is all I am trying to accomplish. I bought a 7mm-08 for my son and I wanted to get some made for his round. It is my indulgence and practicality does not enter into the equation. And I prefer the bullets with a wider meplat too. But that is for my revolvers and not my rifle.



And that is all one needs to want to do. Hopefully the little guy or you gets to shoot an elephant with that. That would be awesome.

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