#198467 - 04/01/19 06:39 PM
HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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45MAN
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TO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS OUT THERE IN HANDGUNHUNT LAND THAT SWEAR BY "HARDCAST" BUILLETS FOR THE BIG AND BAD STUFF, PLEASE POST PICTURES OF ANY CAST BULLETS YOU HAVE RECOVERED FROM BIG STUFF SO WE CAN SEE HOW THE BULLET MAY HAVE FARED. DATA ON THE BULLET, ITS RECOVERED WEIGHT, MUZZLE VELOCITY, DISTANCE, PENETRATION AND DEVIATION WOULD ALSO BE APPRECIATED.
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#198479 - 04/02/19 10:24 AM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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Whitworth
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I'll play. At the first Bovine Bash about five years ago-ish, I killed a very large water buffalo bull (that went over a ton in live weight) with a Garrett load out of my .454 Super Blackhawk (Lucy). It was the 405 RHO .45 Colt load (RHO = Redhawk Only). This load clocked right around 1,200 fps out of my revolver. Three shots through the shoulder - one exited and two were literally poking through the skin on the offside. These bullets performed exceedingly well.
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#198481 - 04/02/19 11:46 AM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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Jeff460
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BIG animals require BIG bullets that do not deform upon impact. Deforming upon impact, or too quickly upon breaking the near-side hide, sheds bullet momentum and causes a rapid deceleration of the bullet.
A hard-cast BIG bullet that resists deforming and retains momentum to penetrate can reach the vitals or crush the central nervous system and result in a quick kill, or an immobilized animal that can be approached to administer the killing shot.
Deer-size animals and others like it are not BIG game in the purest sense of the word. An expanding bullet that dumps energy quickly after penetrating the rib-cage can be very effective. An animal with two extremely damaged lungs is not going anywhere fast. A slightly built animal does not demand deep (3 to 5 feet) of penetration as BIG game would require.
So use A-frame bullets to have some expansion with good weight retention and Nosler designs that retain weight and still expand. You will be well served with the animals that go under 800 to 900 pounds. But once 1000 pounds and above are reached it is penetration that is needed to reach the vitals or to break-down the animal to deliver a killing shot.
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#198502 - 04/02/19 04:18 PM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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With a 454 or above like a 460 or 500?s aframes will penetrate handily in all directions. 44 mags and 41?s on down id go solid
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#198506 - 04/02/19 05:00 PM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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I think that Jeff460 has never seen what a 300 gr or 325 gr A Frame can do on large dangerous game out of the 454 and 460....Cape Buff, Water Buff and even heard last week of a lady hunter that killed a hippo with a 325 gr A Frame out of a 454.....don't believe the fake news, it's obvious when folks have themselves never actually tried out certain Bullets...big bore bonded expanding bullets penetrate and reach and destroy the vitals on LARGE game....monometal bullets do what HC bullets do, but a lot better....if a non expanding bullet is desired.....
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#198507 - 04/02/19 05:56 PM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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I don't know if it's big and bad, but this .44 WFN was recovered from a 491 lb bear.
It is a 320 grain 44 Magnum loaded by Reeds Ammunition to a claimed 1200 fps. I haven't chronographed them, but have no reason to doubt that number.
The bullet struck the treed bear in the cheek under the eye, then traveled up the spine, and stopped in the peak of the shoulders. Death was instant.
I don't mind that it expanded some.
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#198514 - 04/03/19 12:21 AM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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tradmark
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I think that Jeff460 has never seen what a 300 gr or 325 gr A Frame can do on large dangerous game out of the 454 and 460....Cape Buff, Water Buff and even heard last week of a lady hunter that killed a hippo with a 325 gr A Frame out of a 454.....don't believe the fake news, it's obvious when folks have themselves never actually tried out certain Bullets...big bore bonded expanding bullets penetrate and reach and destroy the vitals on LARGE game....monometal bullets do what HC bullets do, but a lot better....if a non expanding bullet is desired.....
I met one at the nra show in dallas that killed an elephant with a 325 aframe from a 454. Cape buff, bear, moose are all not a problem! Evidently some good lady hunters running around with revolvers.
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#198515 - 04/03/19 12:29 AM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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tradmark
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Ive got some ill post tomorrow
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#198523 - 04/03/19 05:16 PM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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I don't know if it's big and bad, but this .44 WFN was recovered from a 491 lb bear. It is a 320 grain 44 Magnum loaded by Reeds Ammunition to a claimed 1200 fps. I haven't chronographed them, but have no reason to doubt that number. The bullet struck the treed bear in the cheek under the eye, then traveled up the spine, and stopped in the peak of the shoulders. Death was instant. I don't mind that it expanded some.
Excellent!
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#198525 - 04/03/19 06:01 PM
Re: HARDCAST BULLET INTEGRITY
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Jeff460
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This is Jeff460 and I would say that an A-frame could do all that you say. But in a 44 magnum or heavy 45 Colt load it may not push it with the speed to reach the vitals from a shot to the departing area of a large game animal. And that is what I was referring to. The earlier post was specific as to what to load in a 44 magnum. I agree that 454 Casull and up can attain the velocity to use them on whatever walks or crawls or advances with menace to cause harm. So please forgive me for offending your sensibilities on this thread. Go in Peace!!!
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