#68807 - 05/01/10 09:47 AM
Puerto Rico and the unions
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wapitirod
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Anyone else find it funny that just a few months ago the head of SEIU was in puerto rico promising to work on world wide work condition improvements, higher pay, and better benefits and now they want to be a state? There is no reason for us to allow them statehood nor should we but it would be a golden lining in the liberals pocket since they've been promising them the world. I'm also getting sick and tired of the unions having their noses stuck in everything, they are the ones that put GM and Chrysler on brink of destruction, you don't see that from the American Toyota, Nissan, Subaru and Honda factories because they are non union. I'm sorry if I offend any of you that may be union workers but the unions have a big part in destroying this country and most union workers are severely overpaid. Where does some moron pushing buttons in an automated plant think he deserves 80000.00 a year plus unreal benefits, he can't trouble shoot the automated systems if they go down that is a job for the 6 figure tech. Meanwhile the rest of us are working at normal wages while we watch the cost of products going through the roof because a union threatened to strike if they didn't get an extra 5 days of sick time or another 5 bucks an hour on their check and of course the unions themselves are nothing but organized crime syndicates. I was extremely happy to see that Boeing is closing it's machine shop in washington and laying off 3500 people because they got sick and tired of strikes and of course when things are bad as they are now they wouldn't consider taking an unpaid day a month off like my wife has too or taking a cut in pay as many other have had to just so they could still have a job. Nope you and I pay out through the nose so anyone working for a union can keep their job while the rest of America is getting screwed. By the way if your not familiar with the Boeing story they are moving I believe to South Carolina which is a right to work state and reopen their machine shop as a non union shop and the employees from WA do have the option to go but I imagine most of them will cry and throw fits like the spoiled over pampered wussies they are, they wouldn't know what to do if they actually had to really work and especially work for a whole shift without the union improved break schedules. Anyways just needed to vent as this whole thing is pissing me off as bad that dumbass tree hugging socialist inbred and his inbred family that have taken up residency in the white house.
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#68816 - 05/01/10 10:56 AM
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X2 and Rod I think they are coming to NC.Worked for a union myself once here and the job I had paid $5.00 more an hour than the same job at two other competitor companies.They put thereself right out of business here folded up and moved.For what they had to charge to make ends meet it wasn't even competitive.
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#68853 - 05/01/10 10:24 PM
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the original idea of the unions to create a safe work environment and to get fair pay was a great one but like everything else where money can be made and power gained it was corrupted.
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#68873 - 05/02/10 10:27 AM
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I certainly agree with that. The Iron Range in northern Minnesota is a perfect example. The unions demanded wages that bankrupted the whole industry and it shut down. Greed got in the way of common sense. Same for the auto industry, and so many others.
The Puerto Rico thing sickens me. The Dems are just fishing for a few more (10) liberal senate and house seats. And, now how about DC as a state, they are trying that for the same reasons. If any industry tried their tactics they would be investigated and prosecuted for racketeering, among other charges. Rediculous and shameful.
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#68874 - 05/02/10 10:49 AM
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The whole idea of DC was that the capitol was not in a state, so there was no influence from that state or extra special treatment of that state.
This just proves that the politicans don't know and mostly don't care about the history of the UNITED STATES. Solid proof they have thier own agenda.
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#70181 - 05/27/10 07:33 PM
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I still Work for a Union Company
The Problim with OUR SO CALLED UNION is THEY ARE IN BED WITH THE COMPANY.
I get paid OK , But Like GM, Dodge, Ford, Boeing, OIL COMPANY's and the LIST Goes ON.
ITs THE INSANE PROFITS THAT GET PAID TO THE
COPERATE HEADS THATS WRONG.
HOW CAN ANY OF THEM BE WORTH THE MULTI MILLIONS THEY GET IN
PAY AND COMPS
The People I work with are All Concederd MEDIUM INCOME
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#70192 - 05/28/10 01:06 AM
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wapitirod
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My big problem with unions is they drive up the cost of living. If you look at the prevailing wages in any line of work in a state where unions are prvalent vs a right to work state like the one I'm in the salaries don't equal out. I've know guys that came out of new york that made twice what I did yet in both city's where I practiced my trade I worked for the highest paying shops and I was making top wage not only at the shop but in the entire area. When someone like me that was at the top of the game is making the same thing some numb nut with a couple years in at union shop is making something is wrong. I still wouldn't want to work for a union shop partially for the reasons you listed but also because they are just plain corrupt and I've never thought I should have to pay someone so I can work not to mention I don't like seniority based outfits I think pay and benefits should be based on ability and knowledge even if your the most junior guy in the company if you've got the rest beat then you deserve the big bucks and that's the way it worked for me wherever I went even though guys would whine when they'd find out I was starting way over what they were making after ten years it wasn't a union shop so they could deal with it or leave.
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#70207 - 05/28/10 11:53 AM
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Unions, no doubt, served a useful purpose in the beginning. However, (like our government) they became corrupt and neglected then ones that they were intended to benefit.
While I have never belonged to a union, I did have a job (many years ago) with General Dynamics and worked alongside union members. I was just a wet-nosed kid (19) from a ranch family and used to earning my pay. This job paid $2.65 per hour and I was willing to do anything asked of me. I had never made that much money in my life. My observation was that the vast majority of the "union" employees on that job were lazy and worthless.
This country used to about providing "opportunity" but "no guarantees." Today, too many feel entitled to somthing (more likely entitled to almost everything). To some extent we, the older parents, are at fault. The younger parents are following in our footsteps and doing it even worse. We tried to provide our children with too many things. Most young people today are reared in a locked house or apartment. They do not have the space to roam and learn that I did. They are not expected to work (dig post holes with a set of hand diggers and a crowbar) like I was. They are not taught respect, work ethic or pride like I was. My father used to say, "if you hire on and take a man's money, do him a job."
I feel fortunate to have grown up in the 50s. It was somewhat normal to saddle a horse in the dark before sunup and not finish until it was too dark to see that night. In those days a day's work like that paid from $6-$8. Not per hour, per day. I would not trade those experiences for anything.
Now I too will quit preaching. LOL
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#70216 - 05/28/10 04:57 PM
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wapitirod
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LOL, you right on the mark wtroper.
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