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#66123 - 03/09/10 06:45 PM Talk to me about lathes....
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After spending some time hanging out with my 'smith this afternoon, I'm thinking about possibly getting set up to do some basic metal work. He was very encouraging in his sharing of knowledge and experience.

For now I'm interested in getting a lathe and mill. I've looked at some lathes on fleabay...but what are some of the more important items I need to be looking for??? I see some that really emphasize the machine has a "tapered attachment". I think I know what this is referring to....the ability to use interchangable heads with a tapered cone adapter?? If so, that's what my 'smith has and makes changing attachments VERY fast.

My lathe lingo is rusty.....but I planon refreshing it quickly!!


Edited by Dan B. (03/09/10 06:47 PM)
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#66127 - 03/09/10 08:14 PM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: Dan B.]
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Spend money when you purchase one. I have a small lathe/mill combo and I want to get a bigger more versatile lathe. The taper you speak of is the Morse Taper on the tailstock and yes it is handy. There is also a Morse Taper in the head stock/chuck end, but it usually isn't used that much. A quick change tool post will benifit you a bunch and a thread dial is a must if doing any threading. There are a million things that are great to have to make things easier, but a guy can make do with some pretty basic tools. A lathe with atleast a 1 7/16" spindle bore will handle most of your barrels. You have enough technology that the basics would get you started, but I warn you now that the basics will only be good enough for a short while. So make sure you spend some money and get a good one when you do.

Look at these and you can find one that will fit your needs.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/mach-specs.aspx?key=460000


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#66134 - 03/09/10 09:15 PM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: rlb]
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If you buy one buy a good one and buy it used. Try to get DRO's and Hitenhine(Spelled wrong) scales if possible. They make life pretty easy.

Call Russ and tell him I sent you he will fix you up

http://www.solomonmachinery.com/index.html

When you get ready for tooling Call Bill at Carbide Depot he can fix you up with some good holders and inserts.

http://www.carbidedepot.com/
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#66149 - 03/10/10 02:03 AM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: H2OBUG]
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If bugs deal doesn't work out I agree with checking with Grizzly, also check Enco and MSC. RLB mentioned some of the things to consider. When I bought mine I was tight on money and space so I bought a small lathe only capable of handling a 20" barrel and I bought one of the smaller mills. I've regretted it from day one. The small machinery is just enough to handle what I do with revolvers but I've had several breakdowns with lathe. I personally next time would go with a 36"+ lathe. My mill is fine other than being a little under powered but it has a small table. Something else you'll find is that different companies sell the same equipment under their names. My lathe is sold by Grizzly, Enco, and Harbor Freight as is my mill but the prices vary by 400.00 on the lathe. I was just looking at my Enco flyer and they have a 13"X40" Geared head gap bed lathe, 18speeds and comes with a 6" 3jaw chuck, 7" 4 jaw, steady rest, follow rest, 10" face plate, 3mt dead center for the tailstock, spindle uses 5mt or 3mt with sleeve, 1 1/16" spindle bore, 4 way tool post, set up tools. The lathe is 2599.95 and the stand is another 200.00 but shipping is free on this particular lathe. Grizzle also has two gunsmithing lathes one is about 3500.00 and the other 7000.00. I guess it depends on how serious you want to get. The nice thing about buying new is you get the accessories which are expensive to buy seperately, you get a warranty and you get all the pertinent paper work and manuals. One other thing to watch on the Mill is drive speeds, you want to find one that will go down to at least 60 RPM as that is where you'll do alot of your reaming work, alot of mills only go down to 80 to 120 RPM's. Hope my long winded reply helps. You might just get hold of the companies I mentioned and have a catalog or flyer sent out so you can better compare prices on what your getting if you do go used.
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#66201 - 03/10/10 10:00 PM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: Dan B.]
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You should spend the extra money and get both a 3 jaw chuck and the quick change collets.The collets usually go up to 1 in. in dia. Then you would need the 3 jaw for anything larger. Buy carbide tooling. You won't be sorry. The only time I use High Speed Steel is if I need to make a threading tool; then you will need a threading guage to set up the threading tool on the lathe. Also get a good outside mic set; 0-3 will do nicely. Also an indicator with a magnetic base(mighty mag).One important safety factor;NEVER STAND DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CHUCK,STAND OFF TO THE SIDE AND WEAR SAFETY GLASSES. BEWARE OF FLYING CHIPS.

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#66204 - 03/10/10 10:18 PM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: mikefrompa]
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Mike is right a collet chuck can be very useful. As for the 3 jaw chuck I like the 6 jaw you can always remove 3 of the jaws if you need the clearance and you get a bit better griping force with the 6 jaw. Also I have found that a smaller four jaw is very useful at times you can chuck it up in the six jaw and indicate square parts in.

As for safety all machine tools very dangerous--- so ask someone who knows before you try anyting you are not sure of.

I have been working with both manual and CNC machine tools for over 20 years and to me they are just like guns you can get hurt quick if you do not understand what you are doing.
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#66206 - 03/10/10 10:28 PM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: mikefrompa]
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If you do buy a used one,run a couple of parts and check it for slop and free play if possible. You dont want something that is woreout.Some free play is normal you have to learn the tool. If you want to take off .004 make sure it dont take .010. The morse taper on the tailstock will allow quick change of tooling. adapters will allow for even more choices. Check online for auctions. You will find some great deals on good tools. A good mill is made by Bridgeport.

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#66209 - 03/11/10 12:03 AM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: muddydog]
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What exactly are you wanting to do with it?

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#66214 - 03/11/10 01:22 AM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: rlb]
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I also agree with quick change collets, I bought a set for my mill and they are real nice. I also only use carbide and I use the replaceable bit style. The only hss I have are my crowning
and threading tools I bought through Brownells although most of my crowning is done with specialty tooling by hand as are my throats. The exception are my 50 cal barrels, I need to invest another 200.00 to 300.00 in tooling from Manson to make the job easier but for now I use the lathe. I strongly recommend dealing with Manson, he provides reamers to some of the well known smiths and his stuff is top notch as is the service. Ron Manson is also a very nice guy and he has a wealth of information he is willing to share.
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#66220 - 03/11/10 06:09 AM Re: Talk to me about lathes.... [Re: rlb]
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 Originally Posted By: rlb
What exactly are you wanting to do with it?


Initially......threading and chambering. Then later on maybe some action blueprinting. Also for making anything else that my little heart desires......there's been tons of times that I was working on a project and needed a slot in something or something turned a little thinner and some tooling would have made things SUPER easy.

I'm a tinkerer at heart.......
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