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#65458 - 02/28/10 03:54 PM
Re: G2 or Encore, pros & cons
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I don’t think a 480 is doable in a Contender...
Bullberry’s sight has a pretty good list of rounds you can chamber in the Contender.
http://www.bullberry.com/TCbarrels.html
http://www.matchgrademachine.com/chamberings_public.php
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#65459 - 02/28/10 04:33 PM
Re: G2 or Encore, pros & cons
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Not to sound like a Contender "hate-er" but I have converted to all Encores. There is no question the trigger on the old T/C's is better but with a little work an Encore can be tuned pretty good.
This is my thought--- If I am shoot 100 yards or less I will be using one of my scoped wheel guns. For shots 100+ yards I like the Encore. A contender in most cases limits out at 250yards or so depending on the cal. But the Encore gives you a bit more power and extended range for the capable shooter.
I have Encores in 257 Roberts, 308 Win, 243 Win, 356 Win-- I can shoot 225 NAB's at 2400fps or 55gr NBT's at 3600 pretty good for anything 100+ yards
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#65461 - 02/28/10 06:17 PM
Re: G2 or Encore, pros & cons
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The 480 might not be a option in the contender. I see a couple 444 marlin Contenders on Gunbroker. And figured the 444 opperates @ 44,000 psi, the 480 @ 48,000 psi, maybe the cut off for the Contender is 45,000 psi? Not sure? Im gonna check tc's website.
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#65462 - 02/28/10 06:54 PM
Re: G2 or Encore, pros & cons
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The 480 might not be a option in the contender. I see a couple 444 marlin Contenders on Gunbroker. And figured the 444 opperates @ 44,000 psi, the 480 @ 48,000 psi, maybe the cut off for the Contender is 45,000 psi? Not sure? Im gonna check tc's website.
The Contender maximum is 42,000 PSI as stated by T/C. Larger case heads offer more backthrust than smaller ones so pressure is only a part ot it. The 480 is a no-go, as is the 454. If you load, a great straightwall big bore is the 445 Supermag. The 444 Marlin is on the edge and can be pushed over if not careful. The 45/70 is a great straightwall, you can asimilate 454 or 480 performance with less pressure, in the Contender or G2.
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#65477 - 02/28/10 10:17 PM
Re: G2 or Encore, pros & cons
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The Encore handles 100% different with a nice set of custom grips!! There have been a few people on this sight that have handled my Encores that were really surprised to see how they both looked and felt in their hands.
If you ever get up this way, Duane, bring your pistols. I'd like to experience that ;-)
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#65488 - 03/01/10 02:54 AM
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S4S4U,
Thanks for the Contenders specs. I looked on TC's website, but didn't see it.
I think as recommended earlier, I need to find a shop that has both pistols in stock, ...choose the gun, ...then pick a cartridge. Thank you fellas.
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#65491 - 03/01/10 07:52 AM
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If you ever get up this way, Duane, bring your pistols. I'd like to experience that ;-)
Not a problem and anytime...
There are a couple of grip makers out their that will make a set to your hand dimensions! They well make the Encore handle TOTALLY different! Believe it or not, the have transformed my Encores from my secondary into my “go to” hunting set ups. Something I NEVER thought would happen.
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#65496 - 03/01/10 09:11 AM
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Just a side note on the limits of the contender to add to what s4s4u said. Speaking of barrel diameter strictly. The contender barrel is just a litttle over .800" in diameter at the chamber. Then you drill 4 holes in the top of the barrel almost to the chamber in a parralel line with the chamber for a scope mount. So when the chamber is large like a 444 Marlin or 45 Colt and you run the pressures up more than the old cartridges were designed for it's flirting with disaster. It's kind of like squeezing an egg that already has a cracked shell. Of all the blown up contender barrels I have seen pictures of most were 444 Marlin, and split at the chamber.
The encore barrels are 1" in diameter so the extra "meat" will allow bigger cartridges with more pressure.
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#65498 - 03/01/10 09:22 AM
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Thanks for the Contenders specs. I looked on TC's website, but didn't see it.
It's not on their website, but that is the number they specified not to excede, to those developing the load data; e.g Hodgdons, Accurate, Hornady, etc.
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#65500 - 03/01/10 09:57 AM
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I have both the old Contenders, G-2 and Encores. I prefer the old Contender for me. However, I encourage "new" shooters to get the G-2. The biggest difference is the safety factor with the G-2. With the "old" Contenders if the hammer is ever pulled back & then released (not fired), the frame must be broken to reset the hammer. Otherwise, pulling the hammer back & releasing it will fire the pistol. I witnessed at 30-30 fired into the engine of a guide's vehicle by a "new" handgunner a few years ago because of that characteristic. For us "older" contender guys, we will often break a G-2 or Encore without thinking even about it.
Thus, if you purchase an "old" contender frame, learn to handle that factor.
In addition, the G-2 & Encore do not have an externally adjustable trigger. However, a knowledgeable gunsmith (or individual) can clean up the triggers on them (and maybe replace some springs) to yield an excellent trigger on either.
Good luck.
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