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#64810 - 02/18/10 11:20 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: minnesotahunter]

Ernie
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Originally Posted By: minnesotahunter

I'm shooting a 7mm 08, and hoping to go after elk with it next year. I had assumed with a 150 grn. bullet I would have to aim for the heart/lungs behind the shoulder.(like in bowhunting) Would a well constructed 150grn 7mm bullet perform on and elk with a high shoulder shot? Out to what distance? Leaving the barrel at about 2500 fps. I like the idea of DRT. I almost couldn't find my biggest Whitetail to date. He went almost 200 yrds through woods and a beanfield which made him hard to track. Upon gutting him we found 2 broadhead Xs in the dead center of each lung.(1 1/8 inch diameter broadhead)

I would like to go for a high shoulder shot if I have enough gun. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

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Chris

What 150 grain bullet are you talking about?

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#64811 - 02/18/10 11:53 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Ernie]

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Ernie,
I don't have a bullet picked out yet. Looking for advice on that as well. My elk handgun trip is still a year out. I'm going this year, but with bow only. So far just practicing with the cheap Speer Spitzer 150 grn soft point boat tails. Sectional Density .283, Ballistic Coefficient .553. They're only about 25bucks for 100, and the guy I bought them from said they would be fine for Whitetails which I will be hunting this fall.

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#64812 - 02/18/10 01:05 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: minnesotahunter]

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I have killed elk with 140 grain partitions and NBT's out of my 284 Win XP for quite a few years.
The minimum impact velocity for the NBT is 1600 fps and the minimum impact velocity for the Accubond is 1800 (I believe these figures are correct).
I don't remember what the partition is.
Nosler makes a 150 grainer but I have never used it.
I don't think I recommend the NBT for a shoulder shot though.

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#64814 - 02/18/10 01:33 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Ernie]

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So do you usually go for the double lung shot?

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#64815 - 02/18/10 01:51 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: minnesotahunter]

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I did with my 284 Win and never had any problems.
My kids when they were younger (10 & 15) took a cow and bull elk with the 260 Rem barrel 14" using 120 grain NBT's and both went down quickly with 1-shot kills to the lungs.
With the 14-15" 7-08 I think I would lean toward the lung shot, mainly to avoid heavy shoulder bone.
Consider horsepower of the cartridge (Range of impact velocities), distance, bullet construction, and of course how accurate in the field you are when deciding things like this.

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#64816 - 02/18/10 02:40 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Ernie]

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Thanks, thats kinda what I thought....now if he ventures within 50 yards or so, i'll be sending a 340grn hardcast right for his shoulder from my 44mag revolver.

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#64828 - 02/18/10 10:53 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: minnesotahunter]

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Ernie is right on about the NBT: QUOTE: "Nosler makes a 150 grainer but I have never used it.
I don't think I recommend the NBT for a shoulder shot though."

The reason I say this is that the NBT (Nosler Ballistic Tip) is not known for great penetration, HENCE they ALSO market the Partition and the Accubond...!!!

For that high shoulder shot you need a tougher bullet to get some penetration through the heavier bones and cartillage of that elk...

For 2 or 3 years in a row I had a fine group of guys from Washington that came on the HHI Antelope Hunt. As a matter of fact two of them hold this record: The most antelope killed on any one HHI Antelope Hunt by two hunters (buddies hunting together): Twelve (12) antelope. Yup, you read it right.

Their bullet of choice was the Nosler Ballistic Tip, in both 6.5 and 7mm calibers if my memory serves (I could look it up in my stored data in the closet prior to when I used a computer).

They came up with a name for NBT's: "Ballistic Bombs!"

They used the NBT for exactly what it was designed for: thin-skinned game, and it worked wonderfully.

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#64834 - 02/19/10 12:15 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Gregg Richter]

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In reply to Gregg; Wow that is good to hear from real experience, thanks a lot! Really likje these posts!!

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#64835 - 02/19/10 12:26 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: shortrange]

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Just remember also that the bullets over 140 in the 7mm are more geared toward the higher velocity rounds like the 284 and up. 140 and below, if you do your part, put through the boiler room will have you some dang fine meat in the freezer. Just my 2.

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