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#64659 - 02/15/10 03:10 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Gregg Richter]

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High shoulders all the way. I dont like em going nowhere but down. Ive never taken a deer but the elk I've hit this way found the ground so fast i didnt get the hammer back for another round. I like the 440g hard cast rounds for crushing bones

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#64663 - 02/15/10 07:01 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: TheDave]

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Thank you all for replying! Much appreciated.

I think you've all pretty much agreed that the high shoulder/spine/neck area puts em down, not to discredit the super double lung shot by any means.

At THIS POINT I've amended (subject to further "thought" changes) the following statement a bit.

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Keeping in mind that I've had a "bigger bullet" mindset for my 40 plus years of hunting.....you'll understand where I'm coming from should I just say "phooey on this" and buy a barrel in 358 Winchester and learn to live with the recoil

Bases covered!!

With a better bullet selection, at least IMO, the 358 Win has been replaced...with the 338 Federal for "my style and ranges" of hunting and a "maybe" Elk hunt in MT at my sister's.

$;\)$

Thinking "he's lost it~!" is allowed without repercussions from me.

I'm just not "normal". LOL!

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#64665 - 02/15/10 09:03 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: SKR]

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I use both the lungs and the high shoulder as my kill zone-It makes my vital zone larger with more horizontal width. The tighter the cover the more I lean toward the high shoulder though, so as to anchor them.

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#64775 - 02/17/10 03:32 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Gregg Richter]

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I agree with the high shoulder shot. We have been hunting with rifles forever and handguns for about 2 years, about 10 years ago we learned that the upper shoulder shot will drop anything. Haven't killed an elk with a pistol yet but even they seem to drop after hitting them high when shot from a 300 rifle. I also like the fact that if you misjudge and the bullet goes too high you'll miss completely and if it's low you will still get the lungs and/or heart.

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#64778 - 02/17/10 05:09 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: azbearhuntr]

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Now that I think of it, I've seen kill shots by Larry Weishun with his Encore on TV, and his were usually high...just below the spine-ish. Is that what we're talking about?

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#64779 - 02/17/10 05:14 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: guitarpicva]

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Originally Posted By: guitarpicva

Is that what we're talking about?

Yes.

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#64789 - 02/17/10 07:46 PM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: Dan B.]

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I cant wait to see your video, Gregg. Im sure it will wind me up "worser' than I am now!

Dan B. I appreciated all the info on your LR shots that were DRT. 75 grain out of a 243??? Who'd a ever thunk it?? NOT ME!

I'd have bet the ranch a 75 grain 243 bullet would come "un-together" on a shoulder/spine hit.....at ANY range.

Glad it doesnt hurt to be an ignoramous!!

Between SEVERAL very kind PMs and all the reading I've done on the back posts and all the great info here I've come to grips with the fact that the 7mm bullet will do more than I can probably do with it.

As I implied before, ALL my centerfire experience on deer was with bigger bores so the information here is great insurance I dont pick one on faulty information that I've subjected my brain to!

Dang that 338 looks fun but.....one OLD cartridge was mentioned in a PM by one of you (that has more LR background than Ill ever get, buy or steal) and it's one I had in a custom rifle and sold in a "gun swap deal" and that is ye ol' 284 Winchester.

This shooter would PROBABLY be happy with a 7mm-08 but...something a LITTLE less like everyone else's gets my interest and the 284 CAN whip up a bit more in FPS if I wish or maybe just shoot a bit higher grain bullet than I would in the 7mm08.......oh who the heck knows, I sure dont...but sure is gonna be fun FINDING OUT!

Still tossing around buying new or used concerning the rest of the Encore. Some deals around but........sigh, its been a LONG time since I've had a NEW gun. A little worried about having to have a "trigger job" done and know of one with that already done for sale. Irks me to buy new and blow the warrantee away with a trigger job but I wont like it at all if it's as heavy as I'm told lots are. That's about half the reason Im considering a used action and stocks.

Unsure if I'll go custom barrel of TCA's custom shop. I just got off the horn with TCA and I can go thru their shop and get a 284 in a heavier contour if I decide on that route and have a guy in line for the brake job.

OFF TRACK of my own subject......yikes.

Sorry......I'm just wound tighter than a bull's butt in fly time.

Gun nuts are like that ........so I hear. *grin*

Thanks again to all of you!!!

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#64806 - 02/18/10 09:39 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: SKR]

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Originally Posted By: SKR

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Still tossing around buying new or used concerning the rest of the Encore. Some deals around but........sigh, its been a LONG time since I've had a NEW gun. A little worried about having to have a "trigger job" done and know of one with that already done for sale. Irks me to buy new and blow the warrantee away with a trigger job but I wont like it at all if it's as heavy as I'm told lots are. That's about half the reason Im considering a used action and stocks....

Did I miss a post about trigger jobs for new Encores? I thought mine was a bit on the stiff and mushy side initially, but after about 20 shots (50 cal muzzleloader) and a thorough cleaning with Gunzilla, it got extremely crisp, with very little creep.

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#64807 - 02/18/10 09:58 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: guitarpicva]

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Going strictly by the post after post I find all over the web on the Encore triggers being heavier and rougher than the Contenders??

Here is dinky town Indiana, I cant even FIND an encore to look at.

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#64809 - 02/18/10 11:08 AM

Re: A quest for "DRT" (bullet placement discussion) [Re: SKR]

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I'm shooting a 7mm 08, and hoping to go after elk with it next year. I had assumed with a 150 grn. bullet I would have to aim for the heart/lungs behind the shoulder.(like in bowhunting) Would a well constructed 150grn 7mm bullet perform on and elk with a high shoulder shot? Out to what distance? Leaving the barrel at about 2500 fps. I like the idea of DRT. I almost couldn't find my biggest Whitetail to date. He went almost 200 yrds through woods and a beanfield which made him hard to track. Upon gutting him we found 2 broadhead Xs in the dead center of each lung.(1 1/8 inch diameter broadhead)

I would like to go for a high shoulder shot if I have enough gun. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Chris

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