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#205080 - 01/14/20 09:11 PM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BIZZMO]
BBwheelgunner
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BIZZMO, Those labradars look pretty cool. you like yours?

Karl,

I had skimmed through the findings of that MN DNR study some time ago if I recall. That is definitely one of the resaons I have been shooting copper while hunting when I have the opportunity too. I think they perform well too.
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#205084 - 01/14/20 10:18 PM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BBwheelgunner]
BIZZMO
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BB-I love my labradar! without it you're shooting in the dark-literally!It's easy to set-up and works anywhere.The only trouble I had with mine is when those fires were going out here and the smoke carries a lot of particulate matter and that messes with it.It's a little tough on batteries but you can get a rechargeable power pack or you can hook a usb cord to it.

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#205197 - 01/21/20 11:45 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BIZZMO]
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I will give them a try in .357 since I do not hand load it looks like something I should give a chance.

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#205212 - 01/22/20 10:17 PM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: Artemis444]
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Sorry that I was a bit slow getting time to sit down and run through the numbers. Here's what I calculated
The 41mag 210 deep curl with a 1580mv and 1250 100y vel has a BC of 0.183 which is pretty good for a pistol bullet
Hornady calculator predicts 1270fps @100y vs the 1250 you measured.

the 240gn 0.452 CEB doesn't have a listed BC, but I used the 250gn Barnes bullet (0.141) with your 1620mv and calculated 1224fps @100y vs the 1190 you measured. If I drop the BC to 0.135 100y vel. is 1210. For comparison, the 240gn hornady XTP mag has a BC of 0.16 and would give 1262 @100y. If I gave the bullet a BC of 0.183 that matched your deep curl, the 100y vel. would be 1300fps which is the same as your 41 mag numbers as you would expect.

0.18 BC for a pistol bullet is pretty good. The 0.452 deep curl 250gn has a BC of 0.165. I think what you are seeing for velocities is just a difference in BC values. This is impacted by bullet shape and material. The 300gn Swift A-Frame in 453 has a 0.129 BC. The Lehigh 300gn match solids have a 0.21 BC (would give you a bit over 1300@100y).

Incidentally, CEB recommends a minimum terminal velocity of 1500fps for their FB 452 250 Cu RAPTOR (which they say is for the 450 bushmaster) to function as intended on impact. Have you tested it on any water jugs or other things at 100y to see how it performs?

FYI The Barnes 250gn has a 1050fps minimum recommended velocity. @ 1600fps mv you get ~1080fps at 150y.

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#205213 - 01/23/20 10:01 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: karl]
BIZZMO
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Karl-Thankyou very much for the research and data.The C.E.B. bullets that I am using are the handgun raptors,they don't give terminal velocity for.I did shoot a water jug at 65 yds and found 3 petal holes in the remains of the jug as they say it will perform.The flat base bullets that you describe are rifle bullets.As for the barnes I can't get them to group under 4" at 100yds.The C.E.B. bullets are giving me consistent groups 2" and under using 17.8 grains of power pistol so I'm sticking with that load. I don't think I can do better than that.

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#205214 - 01/23/20 10:26 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BIZZMO]
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Ahh, I found the bullets you are shooting. I would imagine they have a much lower terminal velocity requirement. They are also pretty blunt and rough so it I could easily imagine a pretty low BC value for them. Best of luck and let us know how it works out!

I understand on the Barnes, just threw it in for comparison on terminal velocity and range. I've only sent a couple down range with optics as I hope to use them with iron sights which will impose a much more limited distance for me.

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#205215 - 01/23/20 10:34 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: karl]
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The Barnes shoot great at 50yds. so I ran out and bought all I could find at the time!Only to find out they wouldn't group at 100.So I bet you'll have good luck with them with irons.I am still open for any load suggestions for them as I have more than I would like to admit.

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#205216 - 01/23/20 10:50 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BIZZMO]
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I got the recipe from another HHM user here in the reloading data section of the site. I posted the details back to the database. I use H110 to get ~1600 fps in a relatively mild load that is a little bit below min from the Barnes published data in s SRH.

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#205217 - 01/23/20 11:45 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: karl]
BIZZMO
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Karl-I've tried h110 with 250 grain barnes in .5 grain increments from 27.0-29-0 and gotten 1530-1720 fps respectively, according to my notes all have given me under 1.5" accuracy at 50 yds but 4"-6" accuracy at 100.Oh how nice it would be just to stuff your favorite bullet in case full of H110 and go huntin'!!

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#205218 - 01/23/20 11:55 AM Re: Hornady Handgun Hunter [Re: BIZZMO]
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Would be nice, but where would be the fun in not having a shooting/reloading project to keep you busy and out of trouble during the off season? My wife is a little more allowing when I say I have a purpose to my range trips.

Are you intentionally keeping the velocity low to limit recoil like me? The Barnes loaddata runs from 29.5 to 32.8. I seem to remember that more velocity may increase stabilization at longer ranges.

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