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#200764 - 07/25/19 09:33 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: Seminole Wind]
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Seminole Wind, not nearly as much as you think...they are great bullets and hold together like glue, but they are soft from the cannelure up...hence why all of their factory loads are slower than other similar expanding bullets...Barnes XPB's need a lot of velocity, not the huge HP of the Swift
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#200765 - 07/25/19 10:00 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: Franchise]
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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Seminole Wind, not nearly as much as you think...they are great bullets and hold together like glue, but they are soft from the cannelure up...hence why all of their factory loads are slower than other similar expanding bullets

I just went to the Swift web site that shows expansion on a 45 caliber 300gr A-frame at 950fps...
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#200767 - 07/25/19 11:21 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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Dang it, I thought I was set on the Fury bullet to hunt with, now Franchise and JFJ make me want to take another look at the Swift. Maybe I'll hunt with both.

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#200768 - 07/26/19 06:30 AM Re: 357 Max [Re: Seminole Wind]
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I love the Fury bullets! You can't go wrong with them. Swift A Frame handgun bullets have been around for over 20 YEARS, kinda funny how long it's taken them to catch on. Seminole Wind, I just was just getting across that the A frame expands at 357 mag velocities..the Max will have NO issues with them.
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#200772 - 07/26/19 10:05 AM Re: 357 Max [Re: Franchise]
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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Seminole Wind, not nearly as much as you think...they are great bullets and hold together like glue, but they are soft from the cannelure up...hence why all of their factory loads are slower than other similar expanding bullets...Barnes XPB's need a lot of velocity, not the huge HP of the Swift


Federal tends to load everything a bit on the slow side, but I don't think it's because A-frames are soft. The only other ammo manufacturer I know of loading A-frames is Swift itself, and they don't seem to hold anything back and keep their foot in the firewall. The funny thing about A-frames is that no matter how fast they impact, they all come out looking the same.
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#200774 - 07/26/19 01:02 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: Whitworth]
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ABSOLUTELY..they are very reliable and predictable, but no one has ever posted one that didn't expand, because they all do, push them close to 1,000 fps and they'll expand..they are soft up front much like a Weldcore. If they didn't have a partition, they expand as flat as a pancake, they'd retain their weight, but they would look so much differently. The bonding process makes bullets inherently softer. Bullet don't have to be hard or brittle to work. Keep in mind for example the 300 gr 45 cal A frame expands at mild 45 Colt loads and also stays together at 460 Velocities....bonding is beautiful, but if they were hard, this bullet would never expand at mild Colt velocities.
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#200775 - 07/26/19 03:15 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: Seminole Wind]
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United Sporting Arms Seville. 180 gr. Nosler Partition 22.0 gr AA-1680. est. vel. 1,650 fps.


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#200776 - 07/26/19 03:31 PM Re: 357 Max [Re: Franchise]
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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
The bonding process makes bullets inherently softer.


I never knew this until I talked with a bullet maker....
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