Page all of 2 12>
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#200560 - 07/09/19 12:35 PM 70gr in a 223?
cherokeetracker
addict


Registered: 11/27/15
Posts: 643

Offline
I happen to like the Nosler Partitions in the Rifle calibers.
Does anyone here shoot a 1-7 twist in your 223? I spent time yesterday trying to convince Nosler to produce a 70gr Partition for the .224 caliber. About all I got was, we will discuss it.
I am aware that they have the Accubond, and it is accurate for long distance. But the partition has worked so well in the past, I felt it needed some consideration.
I am thinking Hogs,,,,

Charles

Top
#200565 - 07/09/19 05:00 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: cherokeetracker]
Bigbrowndog
journeyman


Registered: 05/08/15
Posts: 54
Loc: Central Texas

Offline
I spend a lot of time chasing hogs, and I always recommend 120grs of bullet or more. I will not take hunters if they are using .223, yes it will work but it requires extreme precision and the vast majority of hunters do not have the ability. The round was designed for 100-150# targets and it works fairly well for that purpose with expanding bullets. My personal opinion is use more gun/bullet.

Trapr
_________________________
NRA Endowment mbr.
USPSA/IPSC
U.S. Practical rifle/shotgun national team

Top
#200566 - 07/09/19 05:19 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Bigbrowndog]
karl
addict


Registered: 01/12/15
Posts: 664
Loc: Minnesota

Offline
I believe there was a post here in the last couple years where someone was talking about shooting a hog with a barns TSX bullet only to find it disintegrated and didn't penetrate the shield. It takes a lot of energy to cause a small hunk of copper to disintegrate like they said it did. I'd look for something heavier but tough like the partition.

Top
#200571 - 07/09/19 07:01 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: karl]
Ernie
Distinguished Master


Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 5143
Loc: Gillette, Wyoming

Offline
Only killed 1 pig with a 223 and it was a intentional head shot
_________________________
Ernie the Un-Tactical

Top
#200580 - 07/09/19 09:48 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Ernie]
Okie Hunter
addict


Registered: 07/08/09
Posts: 677
Loc: Oklahoma

happy Online
Ernie, I've killed multiple hogs with a 223 and all were head or neck shots.
_________________________
With God all things are possible. Matt.19:26

Top
#200583 - 07/09/19 10:08 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Okie Hunter]
Chance Weldon Administrator
Distinguished Expert


Registered: 09/20/13
Posts: 4325
Loc: Martin, Tennessee

Offline
Not a handgun, but my Colt AR-15 is a 1-7 twist. Haven't used anything other than 55 grain V-Max's in it, since they're capable of sub-3/4 MOA accuracy and they're more than enough knock a coyote flat. Just personal preference, but I don't foresee myself hunting anything larger than coyotes with that kind of setup.
_________________________
Formerly TN Lone Wolf

"We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided." - J.K. Rowling

Top
#200586 - 07/09/19 10:53 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Chance Weldon]
45MAN
veteran


Registered: 08/13/17
Posts: 1381
Loc: brownsville, texas

Offline
GUYS, WE SEEM TO BE WANDERING OFF THE RESERVATION, THIS IS A HANDGUN HUNTING WEBSITE.
_________________________
"ADAPT OR DIE". I USE ALL CAPS, NOT BECAUSE I AM YELLING, BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN OLD HABIT FROM MY ARMY DAYS, PLUS IT IS EASIER TO TYPE AND READ.

Top
#200588 - 07/10/19 12:12 AM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: 45MAN]
Zee
Gun Slinger


Registered: 03/23/14
Posts: 2751

content Online
1-7in twist is my preferred rifling for the .223 Remington. I like heavy for caliber bullets in the .223 for all but varmint hunting. I use 62/64gr Speer GD, 77gr SMK, and 80gr A-Max.

I?ve killed a ton of deer and pigs with the .223 Remington. Just like anything else, shot placement is important, regardless the tool.
_________________________
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith

Top
#200590 - 07/10/19 12:44 AM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: karl]
Zee
Gun Slinger


Registered: 03/23/14
Posts: 2751

content Online
 Originally Posted By: karl
I believe there was a post here in the last couple years where someone was talking about shooting a hog with a barns TSX bullet only to find it disintegrated and didn't penetrate the shield. It takes a lot of energy to cause a small hunk of copper to disintegrate like they said it did. I'd look for something heavier but tough like the partition.


Not sure the post you reference. But, this is my one and only Barnes experience and it worked well on this boar at 80 yards. Through the heart quartering away and lodged under the hide of the off side shoulder.

62gr TSX



_________________________
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith

Top
#200595 - 07/10/19 09:35 AM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Zee]
karl
addict


Registered: 01/12/15
Posts: 664
Loc: Minnesota

Offline
Nice hog Zee

I hunt meat with barnes bullets nearly exclusively and remember the takeaway from the post quite well. It was a passing comment in some thread here 1-2 years back (maybe about boar shields?). A light barnes 223 bullet (50-6x grains) shot directly into the shield of a larger boar with no signs of penetration. There was a suggestion of a potential thick mud layer but no substantial discussion about the results or theories about the failure.
I think it reinforces the need for shot placement to match the capabilities of the cartridge/bullet.

Top
#200597 - 07/10/19 11:28 AM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: karl]
Zee
Gun Slinger


Registered: 03/23/14
Posts: 2751

content Online
The additional blood on that boar was from the other 4 pigs I shot and loaded into the truck that evening. Not additional shots on that particular boar. The side you see was his off side at the shot. All blood on that side is from other pigs.

He was a one shot kill with the .223 Rem. I mention that, because I?ve been asked before. 😁
_________________________
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith

Top
#200598 - 07/10/19 01:38 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: Zee]
cherokeetracker
addict


Registered: 11/27/15
Posts: 643

Offline
I guess I didn't word things correct. I would like to see a Nosler Partition, in the .224 caliber. I would use it in the 223. My 22-250 has a 1-12 twist.
Most 1-7 twist are in the 223 caliber nowadays. That, is a better choice than a slower twist in either caliber, IF,, you are going to use a 70gr or heavier.
Specialty pistols or Contenders, I was hoping those of you using that caliber might have an opinion, about a "Partition" for the said caliber.

While I do appreciate the fact that several or even many kills have been made with lighter bullets, from whatever angle or whatever area of the hog it was placed into. I was not trying to steer the thread in this direction. But obviously my comment about "thinking of Hogs" stirred the pot. Haaa Previously most of my hunting, was not with the 223 since I felt that a decent bullet was not available.
I Had NOT tried the Barnes.
Actually I had not even given a whole lot of thought to using a 223, until recently.

Charles



Edited by cherokeetracker (07/10/19 01:40 PM)
Edit Reason: teer not stir

Top
#200601 - 07/10/19 02:13 PM Re: 70gr in a 223? [Re: cherokeetracker]
karl
addict


Registered: 01/12/15
Posts: 664
Loc: Minnesota

Offline
Sorry to help Hijack your thread.
can't comment on the partitions but I have loaded and shot the 62gn TSX bullets in a 1:9 twist rem 700 and they shot well (haven't hunted with them, I think it would work well on deer or smaller hogs with proper placement. The gun will not stabilize the 70 grain TSX (recommended 1:8 or faster) but will stabilize the 77 gn SMK factory ammo.

With that much bullet in the case a long throat and non-magazine feed will help.

edit to keep this pistol related: My 1:12 factory 14" contender barrel doesn't like any of them.
Also the Barnes are cheaper then the Accubond!


Edited by karl (07/10/19 02:21 PM)

Top
Page all of 2 12>


Moderator:  Chance Weldon, jamesfromjersey, Gregg Richter, Gary 
Hop to:
 Portal Sidebar
Who's Online
0 registered and 36 anonymous users online.
Top Posters
9668
Whitworth
9608
s4s4u
9169
jamesfromjersey
7643
wapitirod
7327
TCTex.
6549
KRal
5143
Ernie
5056
Gary
4704
Tigger
4461
pab1
4371
Franchise
4370
Dan B.
4325
Chance Weldon
4121
Gregg Richter
3755
johnwilliams
  Member Hunts
The Target Bulldog
The Target Bulldog

Double duty handgu
Double duty handguns

   Access Requires Login

Generated in 0.064 seconds in which 0.013 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression enabled.




Copyright © 2000-2008
HandgunHunt.com, Inc.