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#200349 - 06/27/19 06:16 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: sw282]
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Whit, your response was as clean as your buff kill
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#200351 - 06/27/19 06:30 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: sw282]
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Max's dedicated preparation and skill resulted in a great hunt and successful outcome. yet again proving that handguns are an effective tool if used properly. All kudos to Max for demonstrating what its all about.

However I don't know "John Duty" and don't label him a fool. Uniformed - Yes. Apart from handguns, my other interest is Dangerous Game rifles (my budget only extends to .375 H&H and .458 Win Mag). In those circles there are debates about energy, penetration, bullets style expanding vs solid etc. Debates every bit as active as the ones on this forum. Only there they debate things like whether 458 Lott is sufficient or whether you need 470NE or 500NE etc. Its easy to understand why they can't get their head around handguns. (ps experience from most PHs is that 20 metres is standard for buffs even with rifles.)

From my view point, especially in regard to thick skinned dangerous game like buff the essentials are:
i. Placement, placement, placement.
ii. Enough penetration to go through the vitals.
If the above conditions are met then it doesn't matter whether rifle or handgun. I haven't taken a buff but from the experiences of Max and several others on this site, I'm confident that handguns are quite capable if the hunter does his part.

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#200353 - 06/27/19 07:14 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: Walkingthemup]
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Excellent come back on that guy Max. Most are ignorant of what a handgun can actually do until you have killed a few animals with various calibers. Case in point , the 30-30 is considered by the "Experts" to be a 100 yard deer cartridge in a Winchester Model 94 rifle but in a 14" T/C Contender the 30-30 suddenly becomes a 200 yard proven deer slayer !

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#200357 - 06/27/19 08:49 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: Pa. Mike]
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Agreed Pa. Mike.. The same 'expert' logic applies to the 458Win Mag.

As a Dangerous Game ctg most African hunters feel a 458 is marginal past 50yds.

Yet in other circles a 45-70 is considered a ''1000 yard gun''.

There are even organized 1000yd shoots for the 45-70... A ctg that has

barely half the velocity with a third of the energy as a 458Win Mag


Edited by sw282 (06/27/19 08:53 PM)

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#200363 - 06/27/19 09:59 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: sw282]
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In this same issue of American Hunter a guy used a 45/70 lever gun to take a Cape Buffalo in Africa using cast bullets. Use what you are used to & have faith in, your life might depend on it.
But, if you are uninformed, don't call it a stunt.

Dick

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#200364 - 06/27/19 10:23 PM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: sixshot]
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 Originally Posted By: sixshot
In this same issue of American Hunter a guy used a 45/70 lever gun to take a Cape Buffalo in Africa using cast bullets. Use what you are used to & have faith in, your life might depend on it.
But, if you are uninformed, don't call it a stunt.

Dick


I read that story. It took 7 shots (hits). Not pretty. He even admitted it was because of a poor first shot.

Yes-penetration, good bullet etc. is important, rifle or handgun. But ya still gotta put it in the right spot, regardless of "ME" or any other power measurement.
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#200373 - 06/28/19 10:04 AM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: sixshot]
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 Originally Posted By: sixshot
In this same issue of American Hunter a guy used a 45/70 lever gun to take a Cape Buffalo in Africa using cast bullets. Use what you are used to & have faith in, your life might depend on it.
But, if you are uninformed, don't call it a stunt.

Dick


This is a topic that makes the conventional wisdom consuming Africa hunters apoplectic. Never mind that our revolvers produce less of everything compared to a .45/70 levergun, the .45/70 gets regularly raked over the coals in these circles. It seems to bring a lot of emotion out of otherwise rational people.
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#200375 - 06/28/19 10:46 AM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: Whitworth]
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I just love sticking it to rifle hunters and nonbelievers that think we handgunners are second rate hunters. Everybody "knows" handguns are so ineffective they can't kill Cape buffs or if they do it takes multiple shots.
I've taken 3 Cape buffs now with handguns (.416 TaylorX2, .475 Linebaugh). The total number of shots I've used is THREE. If I'm counting right, that would be one per buff.
We're not second class hunters, but guys that prove the impossible every hunt.

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#200385 - 06/29/19 02:32 AM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: wvhitman]
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Good article and response max. Best witness we can give is to go out and cleanly take our game. My last trip to africa the main goal was sable and a buff. I took both and had the two go a total of 30 yards. Another hunter wounded and lost a sable with a 375hh and wounded and lost a 416 rigby. He ended up recovering them by chartering a helicopter. Neither was a horrible shot. Just to the back edge of the lungs. I didnt rib him, me and my party went out to help him track them. He was very very complementary as to how well my revolvers worked.

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#200386 - 06/29/19 04:57 AM Re: Cape Buffalo with a Revolver [Re: tradmark]
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Mark,

Did he shoot the 416 rigby with the 375hh? Did he hit it too far back on the stock?....😜😂😂😂😂...I couldn?t help it...LOL.

Congrats on your buff and sable! Both were impressive.
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