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#200408 - 06/30/19 08:07 AM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: 45MAN]
45MAN
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FOR 2 YEARS (LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR) I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK UP 45 COLT HUNTING LOADS FOR S&W REVOLVERS, SPECIFICALLY A 6.5 INCH 625 POWER PORT, USING VV-N110 POWDER AND 250 - 275gr BULLETS. AFTER YESTERDAY's RANGE WORK WITH THE POWER PORT I HAVE DECIDED THAT I MAY HAVE BEEN ON A FOOL's ERRAND, GOING TO TRY HS-6 NEXT. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A HS-6 LOAD? FOR THE S&W's I HAVE SEEN SOME 12 OR SO GRAIN RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT NOT ANY AT 13grs??????????

VVN-110 NEEDS MORE POWDER OR HEAVIER BULLETS THAN WHAT I WAS USING. 20grs VV-N110, FED 155M PRIMER, STARLINE CASES, AND A 275gr CAST SWC PC'ed HP, MAY BE OK, BUT SAME LOAD WITH 255gr SWC's WAS NOT. GO TO 21.5 - 22.0grs AND VV-N110 SHINES, BUT THESE ARE RUGER LOADS, NOT FOR S&W.


Edited by 45MAN (06/30/19 08:09 AM)
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#200430 - 06/30/19 07:27 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: 45MAN]
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45Man - 13.0 grains HS6, Winchester cases, Sierra 240gr JHC, and Fed 155 primers. This is my go to/one and only load at the moment for my S&W 625 6.5 inch Power Port guns. I have two of them, one with a 2X B&L scope, and the other with a green fiber optic frt sight. This load is from John Linebaugh's site I believe, and he recommends it highly. It is very accurate in my guns, and I have taken a turkey with it thus far. Not certain if you know it, but these guns have a really good value. Have seen two of them sell for well over a grand on Gunbroker.com. The one thing I would like to mention is that when I did my load work up, i originally started with Fed 150 primers and was disappointed with the accuracy. Switched to the Fed 155's and viola, the groups tightened up alot. Velocity from my guns is about 985 fps depending on the temp. I have substituted Nosler 250 grain JHP's, but they weren't as accurate. They did prove accurate in my EMF Hartford rifle producing almost 1300 fps. I used this gun and load to take another turkey this past season. They don't run or fly away. Haven't tried it with cast, but would probably pick up close to 100 fps.

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#200431 - 06/30/19 07:40 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: Mech 8]
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M8: SUPPOSEDLY ONLY 308 625 POWER PORTS WERE MADE. I ALSO HAVE A 2X B&L ON MINE. I DID REAL GOOD AT THE RANGE THIS MORNING WITH THE 275gr SWC PC'ed HP OBVER 20grs OF VV-N110, EASILY HITTING AN 8 INCH SPINNER @ 65 YARDS AND GIVING IT A GOOD SPINNING WITH THE HITS. TAKING IT TO THE HIGHPOINT TOMORROW, HOPE TO USE IT ON A HOG OR AN AOUDAD EWE.

SORT OF OFF TOPIC NOW TALKING S&W HUNTING LOADS BUT A NEW FRONTIER AND A S&W ARE CLOSE IN WHAT YOU CAN REASONABLY REGULARLY SHOOT IN THEM.
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#200432 - 06/30/19 07:56 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: 45MAN]
sw282
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l think the 45COLT case is too big for magnum loads in a S&W revolver.

l use 45Schofield cases in my Smiths, 625 Mtn Gun and a 25-3..

Case capacity is very similar to 44Spcl..


ps.. There's an even better case for Smiths and old Colts.

Called 45Cowboy, exact same capacity as 45ACP and Auto Rim.

Case rim thickness is same as 45Colt and Schofield. 45Cowboy was

developed by SASS cowboy shooters


Edited by sw282 (06/30/19 08:03 PM)

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#200433 - 06/30/19 08:50 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: 45MAN]
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45Man - Keep us posted on the performance of your loads on game. Brian Pearce of Handloader did an article on loads for the S&W 625's using the logic that the 45ACP revolvers are capable of using +P loads at about 23K PSI, and applied that to the 45 Colts. I have a copy of it somewhere, but the data is probably available on Loaddata.com if you're a subscriber. I was going to try the 13.0 grain load using Hornady 250gr XTP's, but I felt they were a little harder and probably wouldn't expand at impact velocities at 50 yards or more. Power Pistol is supposed to be another good powder yielding above average velocity for the 23K PSI limit. I believe you're right about the New Frontier and it's limitations. I wouldn't push a pretty gun like that much more.

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#200449 - 07/01/19 02:50 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: Mech 8]
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l want to point out that's pretty common knowledge S&W MAGNUM

frame revolvers are ''Heat Treated''.. The frames for NON magnums

are NOT heat treated

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#200460 - 07/02/19 02:17 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: sw282]
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So, knowing that, do you think it would be a worth while gain to take a S&W 44 magnum & rechamber the cylinder to 45 Colt & of course re bore or re barrel?

Dick

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#200485 - 07/05/19 11:35 PM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: sixshot]
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Would a HP, like a barnes 225 or 250gr at 900-1000fps, kill "quicker" than a 255gr hard cast around the same velocity? Just wondering which to use, factory loads for now, if they shoot accurate enough 25-50yds?

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#200486 - 07/06/19 02:28 AM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: Ron K]
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 Originally Posted By: Ron K
Would a HP, like a barnes 225 or 250gr at 900-1000fps, kill "quicker" than a 255gr hard cast around the same velocity? Just wondering which to use, factory loads for now, if they shoot accurate enough 25-50yds?


If you're adamant about 900-1000fps,I'd say use the 255 cast. The XPB will kill "quicker", but it would need more velocity IMO to work properly. Otherwise, it may just perform like a FMJ.
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#200487 - 07/06/19 08:35 AM Re: Colt New Frontier 45LC - hunting loads [Re: KRal]
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RON K: NEVER ASSUME THAT A GIVEN HOLLOW POINT WILL OPEN UP AND FORM A BEAUTIFUL MUSHROOM, TOO OFTEN THEY FAIL MISERABLY, AND USUALLY REQUIRE GOOD VELOCITY TO OPEN UP. FORGET JACKETED BULLETS, AT 900 - 1,000fps A GOOD CAST BULLET IS THE WAY TO GO.
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