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#198893 - 04/12/19 02:38 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sixshot]
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 Originally Posted By: sixshot
If I was going to shoot a large Brown bear with a 44 magnum using a cast bullet I would want more weight than a 270 gr bullet, even if that meant slowing it down a bit which might even help the bullet work better.
If I was going to use a premium jacketed bullet on the same bear I would ask that bullet to do as advertised & stay together so I would give up the minor 20 grs & make velocity work for me because that bullet is a "premium" bullet, run that baby up there!
Mostly I would want more gun & bullet if I was serious about taking a large Brown bear, 45 Colt minimum & 480 better!



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Well said, like someone who knows what he is talking about!

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#198894 - 04/12/19 02:40 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: wvhitman]
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 Originally Posted By: wvhitman
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. What about X bullets. I did my 2nd brown bear at 129 yds. with a 375 X in my .500 S&W. He did not move. The 4 petals of the Xs tear a little more tissue than HPs.



Yes they do. That said, i would still with the aframes in 44 mag vs the xpb in that caliber. Just my opinion. I know of nothing that does more damage than the barnes when it opens properly!

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#198899 - 04/12/19 10:15 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: tradmark]
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 Originally Posted By: tradmark
 Originally Posted By: wvhitman
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. What about X bullets. I did my 2nd brown bear at 129 yds. with a 375 X in my .500 S&W. He did not move. The 4 petals of the Xs tear a little more tissue than HPs.



Yes they do. That said, i would still with the aframes in 44 mag vs the xpb in that caliber. Just my opinion. I know of nothing that does more damage than the barnes when it opens properly!


I used XPBs on my mountain lion and the damage was impressive to say the least.
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#198902 - 04/12/19 12:31 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Whitworth]
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Most of you know I have very little experience with jacketed bullets but when I hunted Africa I did use some in single shot handguns at the time although I also had my FA 475. My bullets in the single shots were Barnes X's & as you know they are dependent on velocity to work their magic, slow them down & they can act much like a solid.
I always dropped down one or two bullet weights in single shots so I could keep my velocity up & it saved my bacon on a hard angle on a Blue Wildebeest. It was a long shot & almost facing me & I was shooting my 338/284 with a 185 gr Barnes X running hard!
Any other bullet with few exceptions probably would have failed me, you guys might know. Anyway, the bullet went just into the right front shoulder on a steep angle, all the way across the body & broke the left hind leg, knocking the bull down. It bounced up only to be greeted with another, that ended it. Velocity is a must with the Barnes X bullets, that little needle HP needs some help. The king of all Warthogs found out the same thing when that same bullet absolutely destroyed both front shoulder bones, you could have dropped an orange through the hole. This was one of three Warthogs I shot.




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Edited by sixshot (04/13/19 03:52 AM)

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#198904 - 04/12/19 12:54 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sixshot]
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I remember reading about this hunt in The Sixgunner. You also did the testing for the 416 Lockhart round in the Bullberry Encore
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#198905 - 04/12/19 01:02 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Vance in AK.]
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 Originally Posted By: Vance in AK.
Craig, fill me in on your plan!
And pleasekeep me posted!!!

I ordered another 60lbs of SIMTEST. Gonna test all the handgun A-frames at various speeds. The Punch, Barnes Buster, Lehigh monolithic solids. A few more cast bullets. Gold Dots. 10mm's. Looking to find out the effect velocity has on penetration with the solids, among other things. Starting with "Ruger only" .45Colt through .454 and .450BM. I don't have a .460 so hopefully the .450 will be close enough out of a rifle length barrel. Will also be testing some 50,000psi .44Mag loads and a bunch of .45's. Also plan on testing a few rifle loads. I'll write it all up and post a link here when it's done.

No brown bears. I'll go get a Cape buffalo before Alaska.
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#198910 - 04/12/19 07:22 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Craig44]
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I recommend africa before AK.

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#198918 - 04/13/19 02:54 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Craig44]
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 Originally Posted By: Craig44


No brown bears. I'll go get a Cape buffalo before Alaska.
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I hope you get to do it.... Its fun....
But there`s not many who have taken a brown bear with a handgun when compared to other big game. When you have to stoop over to get through a "cave " made in the alders by some big salmon eating brown and come across strands of his hair above eye level and not knowing what`s around the next turn is un-describable excitement. To watch a big sow kill a salmon with a bite of her jaws then hand the limp fish to her cub (not one but three) is amazing. Its an experience like non other...There`s a couple of other members who have also taken brown bear who could tell you more then I...Either way good luck and good hunting....
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#198920 - 04/13/19 03:59 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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Sure glad I didn't get in a hurry to shoot that 416 Lockhart, it would have been a disaster! Someone doing the loading for Fred at Bullberry was trying to cause him some grief, they almost pulled it off. I pulled some bullets & checked the loads before I started testing, it sure saved me & Fred a lot of sufferiing & him a bunch of money! So I started over.

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#198927 - 04/13/19 01:17 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
But there`s not many who have taken a brown bear with a handgun when compared to other big game.

True. I've just never had a 'thing' for Alaska in general or bears in particular. I've been and heard all my uncle's stories about hunting in Alaska, Canada and muskox in the arctic but it's just not high on my bucket list.

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