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#198847 - 04/10/19 09:58 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sw282]
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The speer is a good bullet and likely the best value there is. They really make the xtp expendable. Theyre better and cheaper. The aframes are much more consistent and much much tougher. Theyre easily twice the price and imho worth it.

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#198851 - 04/11/19 02:50 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sw282]
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If I was going to shoot a large Brown bear with a 44 magnum using a cast bullet I would want more weight than a 270 gr bullet, even if that meant slowing it down a bit which might even help the bullet work better.
If I was going to use a premium jacketed bullet on the same bear I would ask that bullet to do as advertised & stay together so I would give up the minor 20 grs & make velocity work for me because that bullet is a "premium" bullet, run that baby up there!
Mostly I would want more gun & bullet if I was serious about taking a large Brown bear, 45 Colt minimum & 480 better!

Dick

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#198852 - 04/11/19 08:22 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sixshot]
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Well stated, Dick!
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#198855 - 04/11/19 09:36 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Whitworth]
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I'm about to test them both and find out.

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#198856 - 04/11/19 09:56 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Craig44]
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I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. What about X bullets. I did my 2nd brown bear at 129 yds. with a 375 X in my .500 S&W. He did not move. The 4 petals of the Xs tear a little more tissue than HPs.

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#198863 - 04/11/19 11:08 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: wvhitman]
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Craig, fill me in on your plan!
And pleasekeep me posted!!!
Agreed an all counts Dick!
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#198868 - 04/11/19 12:27 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Vance in AK.]
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I've used the 375 gr XPB in my 500 S&W Encore...it to me is the best compromise of expansion and penetration...that bullet loves velocity...the faster, the better performance...
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#198884 - 04/11/19 07:33 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Craig44]
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 Originally Posted By: Craig44
I'm about to test them both and find out.


on a brown bear???
only foolin Crag
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#198889 - 04/11/19 08:03 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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If you use a cast bullet designed to be loaded to length of the cylinder and you have a strong 44 such as a Ruger, the 44 will have no problem pushing a 330 gr cast 1300 fps. Not to claim that makes it a dramatically more effective killer, but just throwing that out there for those looking to get the most out of the 44.

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#198891 - 04/11/19 09:08 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Paul_H]
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 Originally Posted By: Paul_H
If you use a cast bullet designed to be loaded to length of the cylinder and you have a strong 44 such as a Ruger, the 44 will have no problem pushing a 330 gr cast 1300 fps. Not to claim that makes it a dramatically more effective killer, but just throwing that out there for those looking to get the most out of the 44.

Paul, On one Alaskan hunt I carried my 44 Redhawk on the belt and had it loaded with Garrett 330 gr ammo...I never clocked the speed but its rated at 1400fps.. it was pretty darn accurate at 100 with a 4X scope...
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