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#198705 - 04/08/19 09:10 PM 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag?
Vance in AK.
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Ok, not rehashing the merits of cast & jacketed!
I want to experiment & will probably try some Aframes.
With that in mind & considering I will be limited by the velocity I can acheive in my 7.5" 44 mag Super Blackhawk Hunter, and considering the game will be (Possibly) black bear, moose, & brown bear, would you go with 280s or 300s? Would the added speed of the 280 trump the added weight of the 300?

Anyone have real world velocities out of a 7.5" revolver? My chronograph died an ugly death a few years ago when a gas check from my 14" encore in 450 Marlin achieved full penetration of it's face. Double the opportunities for fun with cast!!!!

Still looking for anyone that has experience with Speer Deep Curl 270s on Moose size critters or brown bear.
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#198708 - 04/08/19 09:29 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Vance in AK.]
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 Originally Posted By: Vance in AK.


My chronograph died an ugly death a few years ago when a gas check from my 14" encore in 450 Marlin achieved full penetration of it's face.


HAHAHAHA!

man, with the crazy velocity spreads I was getting with mine, I wish a gas check would have penetrated it!

I have not killed a moose or Brown bear so take it for what it's worth, but If I were you, I would be loading the 300s


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#198711 - 04/08/19 09:44 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: BBwheelgunner]
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This may or may not help, but I still have the Shooting Times Feb 1999 article from years ago when Speer developed the 270 gr FP in the 44 Mag. They tested them out on big Nilgai Bulls in Texas. A big bull is over 600 pounds and tough as hell. Factory loads only and they performed flawlessly.
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#198715 - 04/08/19 10:14 PM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Franchise]
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Only went to Alaska three times and used the following handgun
bullets: black bear- 300gr Partition from 454
moose- 300gr Punch from 44
brown bear- 360gr Corbon Penetrator from 454
The black dropped dead at the shot... the moose took the Punch through the lungs plus one from 375 H&H up the rear as he ran away that failed (bent) . The brown was not to big and took one through the lungs at 50... Any one the the animals you list can take a beating and a big Alaskan moose, black or brown bear would call for the 300 or 325 Swift from your 454....
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#198722 - 04/09/19 01:17 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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Thanks for the info franchise..

So james im shooting 44mag not 454. Would you still recomend the 300s? Looks like low 1200fps range at the muzzle.
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#198723 - 04/09/19 02:04 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Vance in AK.]
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Can't help you with the A Frames but I have taken one large cow elk at about 60 yds with a 270 gr Speer Gold Dot, now called Deep Curl. The shot was broadside & a complete pass through. As far as I know that bullet is still going towards Wyoming. Gun was my 44 SRH.

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#198724 - 04/09/19 02:15 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: Vance in AK.]
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Haven't killed any big critters with my 629 Magnum Hunter. l

did manage to ''kill'' Matthew's swinger with a 270gr Speer tho.

l put a couple 300gr Sierra SPs this past Sat in a Ram swinger..

lt survived quite well. l think l would have to go with Franchise

and take the Speer 270 FP... 270s hit HARD out of my 44Mag and

REALLY hard from my S&W 460PC @ 260gr

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#198725 - 04/09/19 02:37 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sw282]
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l am beginning to think 270gr may be the ''0ptimum'' weight in 44MAG.

l cast and shoot 250, 270, and 300gr boolits in 44. 90% are 250gr KTs

0ver the past year or so l began casting/shooting a SAECO 270gr

mold. lt seems as accurate as a 250gr KT or a 300WFN... The 270gr

SAECO hits harder than the 250Keith or the 300gr WFN.. For ME that is..

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#198738 - 04/09/19 09:53 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: sw282]
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The 280 is the right length and the 300 eats into the powder capacity too much imho. I use the 280.

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#198744 - 04/09/19 10:33 AM Re: 280 or 300gr Swift Aframe in 44mag? [Re: tradmark]
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 Originally Posted By: tradmark
The 280 is the right length and the 300 eats into the powder capacity too much imho. I use the 280.


This. You want as much speed with this bullet as possible, and the 280 wins over the 300.
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