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#197904 - 03/03/19 09:40 AM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: Bob Roach]
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Awesome bob! Should be heck of a thumper.
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#197914 - 03/03/19 06:41 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: Bob Roach]
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 Originally Posted By: Bob Roach


From my research so far the Hornady 200 grain FTX does not look like a bad choice in bullets for the 356 Win at Handgun Velocity.




I have shot several animals, including 3 elk, with the 200 grain FTX 35 Rem factory load at just under 2000 fps from my 14 inch Contender. Performance has been okay on deer sized game and great on the elk. I am of the opinion that another 2-300 fps would really make this bullet work.

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#197921 - 03/03/19 07:51 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: Bob Roach]
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I have hunted with a Contender 358JDJ since the early 80s. It?s performance is less than your 356 Win but close enough for this discussion. My favorite deer bullet is the Speer 220 grain flat point. It is s real hammer at 2100-2200fps muzzle velocity out of my Contender. Good expansion, pass through penetration at any angle on deer sized game. I like it better than the lighter spire point bullets. It would probably be good for up to Elk sized game. When I went to Africa I chose the Hornady 250 grain Interlock spire point and that bullet performed well on my Kudu and smaller plains game out to 200 yards.
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#197927 - 03/04/19 07:21 AM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: billa]
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BILLA: ARE YOU SURE THAT A 356 WILL OUTDO A 358JDJ? I DO NOT HAVE ONE, BUT THE 358JDJ IS AN IMPRESSIVE CARTRIDGE (THAT IS CONTENDER COMPATIBLE).
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#197928 - 03/04/19 07:49 AM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: 45MAN]
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No arguments from me on the impressiveness of the 358JDJ. It?s all I have ever needed and I like hunting with the Contender over the Encore. I think the 356 Win may get a bit more velocity in an Encore but from my experience on game with the 358JDJ, Dead is dead!!!
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#197938 - 03/04/19 03:34 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: billa]
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I have all three calibers and these are chronographed results with the Nosler 225 gr. Partition.

.358 Win. RPM XL 15" Barrel/ 48.0 gr. AA-2520/ 2301 fps;
.356 Win. RPM XL 15" Barrel/ 48.0 gr. AA-2520/ 2250 fps;
.358 JDJ SSK Contender 14" G-2/ 53.0 gr. AA-2520/ 2216 fps;

None of these exceed published loads. Performance is pretty much a wash with these three rounds. You could massage the .356/.358 and possibly get and bit more velocity. The JDJ is at its limit with this loading in the Contender. These loads represent the best combination of accuracy and performance in my guns. If you can't kill it with a 225 gr. Nosler at 2200+ these calibers will not help you.
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#197941 - 03/04/19 04:26 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: Sawfish]
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Great information Sawfish. Thanks. I have never used the 225 Nosler but I assume it?s an effective game bullet.
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#197942 - 03/04/19 04:41 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: Bob Roach]
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Bob, getting back to your original question about the 356 in the Encore. I think it will be a great round. I would always choose a rimmed case for hunting as they usually just fall out with extraction. Much easier to reload with gloves on.
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#197944 - 03/04/19 06:32 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: billa]
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 Originally Posted By: billa
Great information Sawfish. Thanks. I have never used the 225 Nosler but I assume it?s an effective game bullet.
It is a great bullet, and very accurate. I killed a 171 lb. Blacktail 7 point. at 70 yds. with my .358 JDJ a few years back. In true Nosler Partition fashion, the nose separated from the 225 gr. bullet, leaving the remainder intact with 67% weight retention. The deer was facing me at an angle, and the bullet was recovered in the offside ham. This is my favorite bullet in the medium 35 calibers. In the heavier calibers (.35 Whelen Improved, .358 Norma, etc.) I use the 250 Speer Hot Cor or the old 250 gr. Speer Grand Slam.
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#197945 - 03/04/19 06:36 PM Re: 356 Winchester / 358 Winchester [Re: billa]
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 Originally Posted By: billa
I would always choose a rimmed case for hunting
Pretty much what Jim Rock said when I asked him to cut a rim in my .358 Win barrel.
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