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#196948 - 01/06/19 04:29 PM DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY
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STUMBLED UPON SOME MAGNUM RESEARCH "DESERT EAGLE 480" REVOLVERS ON GUNBROKER, 7.5 INCH'ers WITH THE BISLEY GRIP FRAME. LOOK LIKE BFR REVOLVERS BUT INSTEAD OF BEING 475L/480R THEY ARE JUST 480 RUGER. BESIDES NOT BEING CHAMBERED DEEP ENUFF FOR 475L, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES? WHY DID MAGNUM RESEARCH GO WITH JUST THE 480 CHAMBERING?
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#197017 - 01/09/19 10:23 AM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: 45MAN]
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It really could be because the 480 Ruger can be loaded with bullets seated out, with the only limitation being the length of the cylinder over all. If that is available, there is no loading difference between 480 Ruger and the 475 Linebaugh.
It is just like a 44 magnum bullet with a crimping groove set to maximize the available space in a Ruger Redhawk revolver cylinder. It effectively is putting the weight outside the case and that allows more powder to be available inside the case. Just my opinion though.

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#197018 - 01/09/19 11:32 AM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: 45MAN]
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 Originally Posted By: 45MAN
STUMBLED UPON SOME MAGNUM RESEARCH "DESERT EAGLE 480" REVOLVERS ON GUNBROKER, 7.5 INCH'ers WITH THE BISLEY GRIP FRAME. LOOK LIKE BFR REVOLVERS BUT INSTEAD OF BEING 475L/480R THEY ARE JUST 480 RUGER. BESIDES NOT BEING CHAMBERED DEEP ENUFF FOR 475L, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES? WHY DID MAGNUM RESEARCH GO WITH JUST THE 480 CHAMBERING?


For the same reason some folks go .45 Colt only in FA 83s. Some I guess believe they don't need more and that is that. However, if they are referring to them as Desert Eagle .480s, they likely simply don't know what they are talking about and the revolvers in question could easily be .475 Linebaughs.
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#197019 - 01/09/19 11:36 AM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
It really could be because the 480 Ruger can be loaded with bullets seated out, with the only limitation being the length of the cylinder over all. If that is available, there is no loading difference between 480 Ruger and the 475 Linebaugh.
It is just like a 44 magnum bullet with a crimping groove set to maximize the available space in a Ruger Redhawk revolver cylinder. It effectively is putting the weight outside the case and that allows more powder to be available inside the case. Just my opinion though.


Dittos, though IMHO 400 gr @ 1200 fps isn't too shabby and that's where I load my 480 at. With 475 length bullets you have might find you get better accuracy due to the smaller powder column being friendlier with those "milder" loads.

While I have loaded the 480 to 1300+ with 400's, the felt recoil increases significantly.

The 480 as is has always been what I wanted, a shootable big bore revolver.

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#197021 - 01/09/19 01:30 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Paul_H]
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The BFR 480 Ruger is a nice cartridge in a very nice revolver. At 1200 FPS and 400 grains it is a real hammer and all that is needed. Weight is a constant and velocity always diminishes. Momentum imparted is what BIG Bore revolvers are all about.

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#197022 - 01/09/19 02:28 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
At 1200 FPS and 400 grains it is a real hammer and all that is needed. Weight is a constant and velocity always diminishes. Momentum imparted is what BIG Bore revolvers are all about.


All that is needed for what? I have found that a 400 + grain bullet at 1,400 fps is more of what is needed on bigger critters, LOL!

All joking aside, as long as the bullet is up to the task, velocity is your friend.
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#197025 - 01/09/19 05:47 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Whitworth]
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Velocity is OK up to your threshold limit and what you can shoot accurately. At an extreme low velocity, a sedate 950 fps with a heavy (400 grains and up) hard-cast, gas-check bullet it is possible to bring down a buffalo. It takes a buffalo some time to expire because of its great size normally.
But sending a heavy bullet over 2000 fps will increase recoil and make accurate bullet placement less likely IF the revolver makes you flinch from the concussion of force. High velocity can also reduce penetration of heavy hard cast bullets as tests have shown. So 1350 fps to 1400 fps is a good maximum to reach. 1200 fps is a good minimum for penetration reliability.
A Cutting-Edge solid bullet can also be a good penetration asset at top velocity due to ultimate bullet integrity. It exhibits this being made of only one tough metal. It will not be deformed from higher velocity as a hard cast bullet might.
But I digress. Use what you can safely shoot and hit your mark with. And use a bullet that will perform as your needs dictate. Animals deserve our best efforts to kill them quickly and humanely.
So velocity is good, but bullet integrity/performance and bullet placement is more important in making a clean kill.


Edited by Jeff460 (01/10/19 10:19 AM)
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#197028 - 01/09/19 08:06 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Jeff460]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Velocity is OK up to a threshold limit and what you can shoot accurately. At an extreme low velocity, a sedate 950 fps with a heavy (400 grains and up) hard-cast, gas-check bullet you can bring down buffalo. But sending a heavy bullet over 2000 fps will increase recoil and make accurate bullet placement less likely. High velocity can also reduce penetration as tests have shown. So 1350 fps to 1400 fps is a good maximum to reach. 1200 fps is a good minimum for penetration reliability.
A Cutting Edge solid bullet can also be a good penetration asset at top velocity due to ultimate bullet integrity. But I digress. Use what you can safely shoot and hit your mark with. And use a bullet that will perform as your needs dictate.


Velocity is definitely an asset if your bullets are up to the task. Only lousy expanding bullets and hardcast bullets benefit from lower velocities. I don?t know who?s testing you are referring to but mine show the opposite results excluding cast bullets and bad expanding bullets. I?ve used CEBs on water buffalo in Argentina and again the more velocity the merrier. You can kill buffalo with 950 fps loads but it will likely be a slow drawn out process. I don?t like slow drawn out processes when hunting and especially hunting big and potentially dangerous game.

Even with cast bullets, if the bullet can handle it and maintain its nose profile, 1,400 is better than 1,200. Yes, recoil comes at a cost and this is why handgun hunting isn?t for everyone.
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#197029 - 01/09/19 08:16 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Whitworth]
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I couldn't agree more. If your bullet is up to it, velocity is a HUGE asset! Thors hammer is a lot more effective when thrown than when tossed.

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#197031 - 01/09/19 11:16 PM Re: DESERT EAGLE 480 BISLEY [Re: Franchise]
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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
I couldn't agree more. If your bullet is up to it, velocity is a HUGE asset! Thors hammer is a lot more effective when thrown than when tossed.



Welll said, and whit you couldnt be more right. There has been some big misconceptions bandied about for years in the worldof handgun hunting that i feel are just wrong wrong wrong! If your bullet will take it, velocity is what makes a bigger wound channel and when you actually kill big animals. A 357 with the proper expandable like an aframe will make a much bigger wound channel than a 475 cal at a minimal velocity like 900 fps. Ive seen my fair share of large bovines and elk along with oryx take alot of killing that it makes me wonder what some are talking about.


Edited by tradmark (01/09/19 11:17 PM)

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