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#196626 - 12/15/18 11:36 AM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: tradmark]
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That said, id go with the harder bullet. Less chance of an assumptive failure.

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#196627 - 12/15/18 11:36 AM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: tradmark]
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The shot was too high or too far forward. The angle was not as perceived.
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#196628 - 12/15/18 11:38 AM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: Zee]
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And yes, a harder bullet could be a good choice.
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#196629 - 12/15/18 11:40 AM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: Zee]
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 Originally Posted By: Zee
The shot was too high or too far forward. The angle was not as perceived.



I havent yet seen a hit from a 44 with a quality bullet that didnt kill it. Deer chest cavity is large and nearly everything behind it is vitals or spine.

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#196631 - 12/15/18 12:10 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: tradmark]
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Assuming he hit what he thought he hit?
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#196633 - 12/15/18 12:29 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: Zee]
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This is what we experienced with Jordan's red deer a couple of years ago. Would you agree these bullets failed? Since these bullets have performed in this manner on numerous occasions, wouldn't it be logical to surmise that it is a possibility the OP encountered similar performance? It's unlikely he is posting to deceive us.





This is the XTP James used a couple of years ago at the Bash.


Versus this performance:



Across the board I have never seen more consistent performance irrespective of the game. Why use anything else?
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#196637 - 12/15/18 12:48 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: tradmark]
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 Originally Posted By: tradmark
So if he said it hit shoulder and if his son saw it with a shoulder hit, and the leg was incapacitated, how does a 44 not put that deer down over 800-900 yards? I think deductive logic dictates that either the bullet failed or the OP and his son are lying. Is there a 3rd option?


Thanks trademark, I wasn?t going to get into it with Zee again. I have been a bow hunter for close to 30 yrs and when I don?t do my job of making a perfect text book shot, I try to use equipment that will perform when I don?t . Hence a bullet that has a better track record on heavy bone hits. Because no one is perfect and not a single hunter can make that perfect shot 100% of the time.

And Zee I have no ego problem, me blaming the bullet for my poor shot placement has to do with the pit in the gut feeling of loosing a deer. Even if there is a 10% increase that a hard cast would have made it to the vitals I?ll take it.
Oh but wait my son and I will never know because even though you were not there we didn?t see what we thought we saw.

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#196638 - 12/15/18 12:55 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: Whitworth]
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth

This is what we experienced with Jordan's red deer a couple of years ago. Would you agree these bullets failed? Since these bullets have performed in this manner on numerous occasions, wouldn't it be logical to surmise that it is a possibility the OP encountered similar performance? It's unlikely he is posting to deceive us.





This is the XTP James used a couple of years ago at the Bash.


Versus this performance:



Across the board I have never seen more consistent performance irrespective of the game. Why use anything else?


Thanks max , I highly respect your comments . I have both your books and I went with hardcast bullets in my 357 because of your high praise of them. But when moving up to the 44 figured the xtp?s would be ok . But here I am asking about hard cast again.

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#196641 - 12/15/18 01:20 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: rob-c]
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The pictured bullets do indeed appear to have failed.

We can assume that bullet failure is a possibility in the OP. As we can assume other possibilities.

Never considered deception as an option.
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#196642 - 12/15/18 01:24 PM Re: Brindle hardness for shooting shoulders on deer. [Re: Zee]
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Unfortunately, emotions seem to be creeping into this discussion and preventing clear headed conversation and an exploration of possibilities. As always happens in these types of discussions.

Always a shame.

I continue to be open to logical and scientific discussion should any choose to do so.

Absent that, by all means. Carry on, Gents.

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