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#192898 - 06/08/18 06:41 AM Re: loosing confidence [Re: reflex264]
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 Originally Posted By: GG
So, as the title implies, I am loosing confidence and am torn this year on what weapon to use for my season. Pistol or Rifle.

I currently use a 460 SW. Last year I shot two deer with this weapon and could only find one, but that was after two days using buzzards.

The first deer was a really nice buck. I was steady on a bag at about 100 yards. The deer mule kicked and ran off. I searched several hours a day for two days and found no sign. I know I could have missed, but at that range with a bag rest, and not rushed, I just don't see it.

The second was a couple days after the buck. A doe at about 130yards. She jumped and kicked. I again searched for hours. It wasn't until A couple days later, while checking cameras, I saw buzzards near the area and found her about 150 yards away from the POI. But the rout she took had to have had her running for several hundred yards, turning in the opposite direction, before falling. I inspected the shot and it was really good, right behind the shoulder.


I shoot Hornadys 200gr ftx for this gun because they are fast and really accurate at the range. I shoot at 100 and 200 yards with great results.
I have other handguns, 3030, 44's but the 460 is probably the hardest hitting one I have and the most accurate, specially at range. I really like shooting the 3030 but am not completely sold on its effectiveness out to 100 yards.


I have started looking into different ammo but everything else that is factory seems to perform so much less I could see how they could make a great difference, even with the different bullet.


I really take it hard when I wound game, or worse, hit and find it rotted, of which that was the first time. Rarely do I not recover game that I shoot at, even with a handgun, but specially with a rifle. These back to back *uck ups really have me thinking about not bringing the handguns out this year, even though I really enjoy using them.


I know it was a long read, and probably boring for most, but it has been eating at me since last season.
 Originally Posted By: reflex264
If you are just shooting deer the 240gr XTP MAG deserves a look. I got them to expand all the way down to 1150 fps. It is too soft for elk but any deer size game it would work well.
I have to believe you had bullet failure. If you keep using the 460 try some Barnes bullets. My experience with them gave me complete confidence on game. If you go with the 30-30 I think it will impress you. Again you need the right bullets for the right job. I use 125gr Nosler Ballistic tips at 2300 FPS for deer with great results. I do not shoot the shoulder with these. I can tell you I have got bang flops out to 130 yds. So far that's all the opportunity I had on whitetail distance wise. I would not hesitate to shoot 200 yds.


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#192907 - 06/08/18 04:25 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: dhom]
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Where did you exactly hit the deer???
Sorry..just re-read your post... don`t lose faith...try a stronger bullet....I know guys that have used the Hornady bullet with great success but I got turned off to that 200gr when there was very little penetration after the bullet came apart on a deer I shot going away from me...a stronger bullet with similar accuracy is what you should aim for.... Good luck.....


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#192913 - 06/08/18 08:15 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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I never had a issue at all with the 460, I use the 200 grain FTX bulletts, in both the revolver and the Encore, just stay off the shoulder.

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#192920 - 06/09/18 12:44 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: racksmasher1]
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Some really good feedback here. Bullet failure seems to be the strongest opinion.

With a bullet constructed heavy enough I also like the center of shoulder shot and used that shot on a big bull elk to anchor him with my .475 LB.
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#192928 - 06/09/18 04:54 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: GG]
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I agree that it sounds like an issue with the bullet. I prefer a flat point bullet for any big bore round, either a JHP or JSP. In my experience (when used at the proper velocities) they transfer energy on impact better resulting in larger entrance/exit holes and impressive internal damage.

I don't own a .460 but I have used .454 Casulls on several deer. I have been very happy with XTP/Mags. They are designed to expand at velocities from 1100-2100fps. They don't have to be pushed fast to perform. I load the 240gr XTP/Mags at 1650fps and the 300gr XTP/Mags at 1450fps. All the deer I have shot with them (heart/lung shots) died within sight and didn't go far. By contrast the very hard 300gr Sierra JSP loaded at 1400fps acts like a hardcast and resulted in the only .454 Casull deer I shot that made it out of my sight before dying. It traveled about 75 yards shot through both lungs. The internal damage and entrance/exit holes were not as impressive as the XTP/Mags.

I know the 460 gets high velocities but high velocities are not needed to kill deer efficiently. Due to its high velocities the 460 was also sold as a "long range" hunting round. As velocities drop at longer ranges bullets with thick jackets designed for high velocity rounds often fail to perform as well as they do at shorter distances (higher velocities). Because of this I would recommend that you keep your shots on game inside 50-75 yards until you find a bullet that you're happy with and you build confidence in it. When you have a bullet/load you're happy with keep in mind the bullets limitations. Limit your shots to distances that the velocity is still high enough for the bullet to perform properly.
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#192949 - 06/10/18 08:45 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: pab1]
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l don't care too much for that little stubby 200gr FTX bullet

in my S&W 460 PC 10 1/2'' revolver. l prefer the 225gr FTX in

my 460... Hornady says the 225gr is a 45COLT bullet.. l works

great in the 460.. Loaded at around 1500-1600fps l doubt any

critter would walk away... Lots more pleasant to shoot TOO..

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#192952 - 06/10/18 09:44 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: sw282]
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#192953 - 06/10/18 10:46 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: GG]
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I have started looking into different ammo but everything else that is factory seems to perform so much less I could see how they could make a great difference, even with the different bullet.


What do you mean by "perform so much less"? Do you mean velocity? There is so much more to bullet performance than velocity.
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#192974 - 06/11/18 03:05 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: s4s4u]
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Bullet placement is like Real Estate. lts LOCATION, LOCATION,

LOCATION that counts... Without that NOTHING else matters

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#192975 - 06/11/18 03:32 PM Re: loosing confidence [Re: sw282]
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 Originally Posted By: sw282
Bullet placement is like Real Estate. lts LOCATION, LOCATION,

LOCATION that counts... Without that NOTHING else matters


AMEN, Brother! ! !

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