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#191680 - 04/05/18 09:07 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: jwp475]
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 Originally Posted By: jwp475
Then how do you explain it taking 12 hits from your 44 to get the longhorn on the ground and then a 13th with a 500 to put him out of his misery?

I?m all ears.

I counted less than six while he was on his feet, all but one on the run, six to eight more while he was on the ground and for the 1000th time, the .500 coup de gras was unnecessary. You would know this, had you actually been there. I'm sorry but you're twisting the truth to fit your personal vendetta.

All of which ignores the two water buffalo down with two shots.

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#191719 - 04/06/18 07:36 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Craig44]
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Phil Shoemaker killed a 900 pound charging Brown bear with a 9mm with fewer shots. 👀

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#191721 - 04/06/18 07:54 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: jwp475]
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By Phil Shoemaker

I have been guiding brown bear hunters and fishermen and bear photographers from our homestead within Becharof National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska for 33 years and have had numerous close encounters with bears. Until now, I have never had to shoot an unwounded bear to protect either myself or clients, but the other week an event occurred and my good fortune changed. When it happened, I was fully aware of what was going on and how big the bear was. I also managed to stay aware of where my clients were, even when the bear was directly between us. The woman I was guiding said that while she did not remember smelling the bear?s breath, it was close enough to her face that it could have bitten her!

I have killed enough bears to know how important shot placement can be, even with large-bore rifles. I was well aware of the limitations of my 9mm pistol, even with Buffalo Bore ammo. I was aiming for a vital area with each shot; because it all took place between 6 and 8 feet, they were not far off. But hitting the head and brain of a highly animated and agitated animal is a difficult shot.

The two photos shown here tell a pretty good story by themselves. The secondary photo (embedded at the bottom of this story) was taken from the point where the charging bear first erupted from the brush. I am on the left and Larry, my fishing client, is on the right. The bear was within 2 feet or less of Larry and his wife when I shot it. You can see the dead bear to the left of Larry. The main photo (embedded to the right) shows Larry and me with the dead bear and shows its size.

Larry and his wife were fishing with me, and because we were going to a small stream I had fished before, which had numerous large male brown bears, I decided to take my Smith & Wesson 3953 DAO 9mm, rather than the S&W 629 .44 Mag. Mountain Gun I have carried for the past 25 years, as the larger boars are usually less of a problem than sows with cubs.

Before we reached the stream, while we were walking through dense brush and tall grass, we heard a growl and deep ?woof? of a bear approximately 6 feet to our right (behind me in the secondary photo). We had been talking loudly but must have startled a sleeping bear. It sounded like it made a movement toward us, and I shouted loudly and the bear ran back through the brush to the right in the photo. Within 15 seconds, we could hear it growling and charging through the dense brush from the opposite side.

I had my pistol out by then, and the bear first appeared from where the photographer in photo No. 2 was standing. It went straight for my clients; Larry and his wife fell backwards in the deep grass. She said the bear?s face was close enough to hers that it could have bitten her!

The bear was highly agitated and standing within 3 feet of my clients when I decided I could take a shot without endangering them.

My first shot was at its neck, and then it began growling and spinning toward the impact. I wanted to hit the head but the bear was moving so fast I simply began shooting each time I could hit a vital area. I hit it six times before it turned to run off, and my seventh shot was into its pelvis area as it ran. When it dropped within 6 feet of the last shot, I checked my pistol and found I had only a single round left in the chamber so decided against walking in and finishing it.

My pistol was loaded with Buffalo Bore 9mm +P Outdoorsman 147-grain FN hard-cast loads that have a muzzle velocity of 1100 fps. I had previously tested, compared and proven such loads with my .357 and .44 mags., and I was convinced they would work

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/...ith-9mm-pistol/




Edited by jwp475 (04/06/18 07:55 PM)

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#191731 - 04/06/18 09:11 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Gregg Richter]
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 Originally Posted By: Gregg Richter
Buglers 'N Bullets:

Freedom Arms .454 along with two of their 260 grain Flat Point bullets recovered from 2 different bull elk.


Perfect failures?

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Hey Greg.... looks like we both know a good thing when we shoot it
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Edited by jamesfromjersey (04/06/18 09:14 PM)
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#191732 - 04/06/18 09:26 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: jwp475]
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 Originally Posted By: jwp475

Phil Shoemaker killed a 900 pound charging Brown bear with a 9mm with fewer shots. 👀


Here we go again......
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#191734 - 04/06/18 10:06 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: s4s4u]
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Speaking of Shoemaker... heard Buffalo Bore has a hard time keeping up with its 9mm 147gr TC ammo...
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#191735 - 04/06/18 10:29 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
Speaking of Shoemaker... heard Buffalo Bore has a hard time keeping up with its 9mm 147gr TC ammo...
\:o
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I heard the same.

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#191736 - 04/06/18 10:29 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
Speaking of Shoemaker... heard Buffalo Bore has a hard time keeping up with its 9mm 147gr TC ammo...
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I heard the same.

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#191741 - 04/07/18 12:11 AM Re: bullet failure [Re: jwp475]
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 Originally Posted By: jwp475
Phil Shoemaker killed a 900 pound charging Brown bear with a 9mm with fewer shots. 👀

And on B&M forum we watched a Cape buffalo soak up six .577's. So what???

It's a pity you weren't there to get an accurate perception of what happened but you have your version and are sticking to it. Sorry Parker but now you're just being a troll.

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#191744 - 04/07/18 02:12 AM Re: bullet failure [Re: Craig44]
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John, did you send me a PM on the 4th? I didn't get one.

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