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#190411 - 03/14/18 02:27 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Whitworth]
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I think I explained my definition in a prior post I made about load testing ie Bullet failure. Early in my reloading career I was experiencing Bullet failure when I use to rifle hunt. Yes I got burnt with the sexy looks of the Ballistic tips shooting the wrong load recipes which resulted with a couple of wounded animals that i am not proud of. The bullets fail to expand properly. This why I don't shoot per say cookbook loads before I do I use you guys as a reference and then I decide if it's worth my while to invest time in. You have to put the proper amount of range time in
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#190417 - 03/14/18 03:43 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: tradmark]
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 Originally Posted By: tradmark
Yes to this, but what may be good performance on smaller game i might not use on a moose or elk and/or dangerous animals.


Well hello, Captain.

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#190418 - 03/14/18 04:02 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Zee]
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Hahaha. Yessir, one if my favorite commercials btw!

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#190427 - 03/14/18 07:25 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: tradmark]
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This is how I look at this subject and this is just my personal opinion. First I don't believe in 1 type/style of bullet for all game. I match each and every game animal with a specific bullet/load/caliber. Bullet failure to me is when my bullet cannot get to and destroy the vitals of the game animal that I'm hunting. I think some of what we consider bullet failure are just poor initial bullet/gun choices....I don't think that a 400 gr solid from my 416 Barnes is a good choice for deer, and neither do I believe that a 125 gr BT from my 300 Whisper is supposed to reach the heart of a Hippo...it would be hard for me to blame the bullet if I made the above poor choices....just me.

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#190430 - 03/14/18 08:36 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Franchise]
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What if our expectations are different than the designer? Reaching the vitals and causing sufficient damage is a good basic definition, but we may want pass through penetration as well. We're a special and peculiar bunch, so, as students of the gun and ammo, we may want much more than bullet manufacturers will design.
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#190433 - 03/14/18 09:26 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: JDK]
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If I?m looking at a dead animal, the bullet did its job.

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#190434 - 03/14/18 09:52 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: racksmasher1]
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That's simple a bullet that fails to make it to the vitals because it has destructed in muscle tissue and bone. Seen it on couple of elk severe soft tissue damage but no penetration to the vitals.


Edited by Ramjet-SS (03/14/18 09:54 PM)
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#190438 - 03/14/18 11:24 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: racksmasher1]
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 Originally Posted By: racksmasher1
If I?m looking at a dead animal, the bullet did its job.


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#190443 - 03/14/18 11:57 PM Re: bullet failure [Re: Whitworth]
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
Are you talking about a particular red stag that weighed in around 350-lbs give or take? 300 grain Mag XTP from a .45 Colt??






Actually yes. Thats but one of a few examples but the prime example.

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#190446 - 03/15/18 02:45 AM Re: bullet failure [Re: Zee]
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 Originally Posted By: Zee
 Originally Posted By: racksmasher1
If I?m looking at a dead animal, the bullet did its job.


I love you.



Ok, so ill ask if the animal is dead but only because you got lucky and a bullet fragment happened to cut a large artery coming out of the heart or lungs but u absolutely know u woulda lost the animal had u been an inch further back? Sometimes luck over shadows the bullet not working as advertised. I go back to the local in liberia comment. Ok so you made it but would you do it again?


In the case of the bullets whit posted, its only dead cuz of another bullet shot, actually a vastly superior bullet.

Racksmasher, how many bullets do you allow to kill the animal, especially small to medium sized game?

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