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#189271 - 01/31/18 06:44 PM Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge
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This question is unrelated to hunting. It does not concern velocity for the sake of velocity, or terminal ballistics on game. So, perhaps it should go on some other forum but no forum I have seen has the cumulative handgun knowledge that this one has.

I am looking for a centerfire round that will be good for bullseye shooting at paper targets at 100, 200 and 300 yards. All off hand unsupported, any sights, but revolver only and straight wall cases only, of at least .357 caliber.

It is known distance with plenty of time between shots to adjust sights so flat trajectory is not needed except to the extent it aids accuracy. There is no concern for penetration or momentum as we are not shooting game or steel silhouettes. The bullets only have to punch holes in paper.

In benchrest competition there have always been certain cartridges that showed superior intrinsic accuracy, such as the .17 Wasp, .222 Rem and 6mm PPC. Is there such a thing with handgun cartridges?

The old debates over .44 v. 45 should not matter as they concern hunting. In my personal battery the most accurate revolver happens to be a SBH Hunter .44 mag but that is statistically meaningless.

If buying or setting up a revolver for nothing but accuracy at long range would you consider any particular caliber optimal?

You can pick the gun, Freedom Arms or whatever, it is the caliber I am wondering about.

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#189272 - 01/31/18 07:57 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: spinsail]
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Well, the .357 Maximum/Supermag was designed for metallic silhouette to give revolvers something better than what was available. Part of that equation was, of course, enough knock down for a 200 meter ram. The round has the accuracy.
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#189273 - 01/31/18 08:31 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: JDK]
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A FA 353 9 INCH 357 MAG OR MAYBE A FA 10 INCH 41 MAG, DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH HEAVIER RECOIL OF LARGER CALIBERS. THE 357 PROBABLY HAS MORE BULLET OPTIONS THAN THE 41 AND THE OAL YOU CAN USE IN THE 353'S LONG CYLINDER IS A REAL PLUS.
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#189284 - 01/31/18 09:38 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: 45MAN]
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^^^^^^^^ This was going to be my recommendation. A 357 mag housed in a Freedom Arms M83. You won't find a more accurate revolver, reguardless what caliber and the 357 is plenty shout enough to punch through the paper.
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#189288 - 01/31/18 10:45 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: KRal]
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357 Mag or 38 Special that has been customized.
Probably a double action revolver as well
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#189298 - 02/01/18 07:27 AM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: Ernie]
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SPINSAIL: IS THIS BULLSEYE COMPETITION INFORMAL? ORGANIZED? OR WHAT? IF IT IS ORGANIZED, WHAT IS IT CALLED?
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#189299 - 02/01/18 08:27 AM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: 45MAN]
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My most accurate straight wall cartridge handguns have been, in order:
1. FA 353 (83) 9" .357 ... 180 XTP over 296
2. FA 654 (83) 7.5" .41 Mag. ... 210 Sierra over 296
3. FA 83 .7-1/2" .44 Mag. ... 240 Sierra over 296
Both 1 and 2 were equipped with 4X Leupolds with target turrets. The .44 wore a 2X Leupold, which could account for the slightly larger groups.
However, none were shot at distances over 200 meters (~220 yds.)
My Standing category guns in IHMSA competition were always 10-1/2" or 7-1/2" Ruger SBH's in 44 Mag, shooting Sierra 240's over 296 for a bit over 1300 fps.

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#189306 - 02/01/18 10:14 AM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: 500WE]
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KEN (500WE): WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE HAD A 10 1/2 INCH RSB, WITH UNDERCUT FS, IN 357 MAG. BACK IN OUR IHMSA DAYS? EVEN TODAY IT WOULD MAKE A HELLUVA SHOOTING/HUNTING GUN. OTHER THAN THE 357 MAX, RUGER HAS NEVER PUT A LONG BARREL ON ITS 357's, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY?
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#189311 - 02/01/18 03:10 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: 45MAN]
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Rey,
Thanks to my buddy Matt Olivier, I was able to corral a real jewel 2 years ago. I had learned a couple months before, that Ruger had made a few (43 or 47 !) high polished 10" barrel .357 Mag. New Model Flat-Tops for the Ruger Collectors Association.
Matt, an avid RCA member, had an unfired one and sold it to me. It had a high polished ramp front sight, which I had David Clements replace with an undercut patridge of my design. Hurt the collector value of course, but I wanted it as a shooter. It has the regular Blackhawk XR3 gripframe, not the SBH.
In fact, I'm told that Ruger also made a very few Old Models in 10", but I've never seen one. I think John Taffin may have one.
So ... I've got mine!

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#189316 - 02/01/18 07:19 PM Re: Most Accurate Long Range Cartridge [Re: 45MAN]
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[quote=45MAN]SPINSAIL: IS THIS BULLSEYE COMPETITION INFORMAL? ORGANIZED? OR WHAT? IF IT IS ORGANIZED, WHAT IS IT CALLED?"

It's called the Great Annual Elmer Keith 600 Yard Elk Shot Commemorative Tournament. Well, except its planned to be monthly, and probably not very great, and only 300 and less yards, and paper instead of an elk, and Elmer Keith probably wouldn't approve. But other than that is remarkably similar.

No, it is something I want to start at my gun club. I think we have enough revolver enthusiasts and we have a good range for it. It would be as organized as I could make it but informal. I just have to get the club management on board.

Ernie, what is your thinking with the 38 Special? Big, heavy for caliber bullet going slow, or less recoil, or shorter, more efficient case?

I never shot one but I have read so much about the accuracy of the 454 Casull I expected some to mention it.

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