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#189222 - 01/29/18 11:22 AM Re: GP 100 [Re: dhom]
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 Originally Posted By: dhom
 Originally Posted By: Zee
Sounds like a bullet and not a cartridge issue. No?

I think the cartridge has been used effectively on deer sized game by many here. Enough so as to prove it?s an adequate round within its ?scope of authority ?.

Hope you have better luck with your new bullet choices.
I do put the blame on bullet choice. Maybe my thoughts were wrong about 158 gr HP bullets being the best choice in a revolver at that velocity. I have read many people got great results with that weight bullet although not that brand. It also seems to me 180 gr jacketed would work better in a 357 Maximum or 10" contenders with higher velocities. I do not know how to post a picture but, I do have one after skinning. I just wanted to share these results and maybe save someone else the grief.


I use 180's in my GP100 and FA; they work extremely well for me. I'm shooting the discontinued Nosler Partition, but the Swift A-Frame is essentially the same bullet (possibly better). In my 686, I'm shooting 158 Deep Curls. I haven't been able to connect with it yet, but they shoot very well and I see no reason why they shouldn't perform well, as they are a bonded bullet.
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#189242 - 01/29/18 10:06 PM Re: GP 100 [Re: KRal]
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yep, put a lot of doubt in my mind about trying to take a hog with one. I think i will have her shoot the hornady 158 xtp's until i can figure something else out

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#189243 - 01/29/18 10:29 PM Re: GP 100 [Re: dave thomas]
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 Originally Posted By: dave thomas
yep, put a lot of doubt in my mind about trying to take a hog with one. I think i will have her shoot the hornady 158 xtp's until i can figure something else out


I used 158gr XTP bullets out of my 6in GP100 and got good penetration from point of shoulder bone to back of off side ribs at 25 yrds and good expansion on a whitetail. I was pleased.
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#189244 - 01/29/18 10:33 PM Re: GP 100 [Re: Zee]
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thats the kind of report that i like to here. i have a box of factory rounds that i will have her shoot. as long as they don't turn her hand inside out we will be good to go.

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#189249 - 01/30/18 06:21 AM Re: GP 100 [Re: dave thomas]
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I think I will go with Speer Deep Curl 158 gr next. Hopefully KRal will post his results. I am also sure premium bullets will work but, I really don't want to think they are necessary for 100-130 lb deer. After reading about .357 jacketed bullets the manufactures [Hornady, Speer, Sierra, and Nosler] claim the 158 gr HP's work on medium size game. I don't know if my results were a one time thing but, just to be safe I will not use the same bullet on whitetail again.

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#189250 - 01/30/18 09:11 AM Re: GP 100 [Re: dhom]
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I think it is an issue of bullet choice, and the fact that it was at 20 yards. I don't think it was "anemic" velocity but probably too much velocity for that bullet. The Nosler sporting bullet has a near pure soft lead core. At that close range I believe it expanded too much too fast. Years ago I shot a deer at very close range with a muzzle loader and a soft lead patched round ball. It was a 50 caliber, so it wasn't a matter of not enough bullet. I had taken deer very cleanly in the past with the same, as I am sure has been done for 100's of years. This deer was hit at about 15 yards, and like dhom's went a short distance and laid down. I could see it from my stand but could not get another shot so I re-loaded and waited. After about 15 minutes it rolled over and died. This deer was hit right behind the shoulder but that 50 cal. ball was found back behind the liver and was flattened like a dime. The impact velocity was too high for that dead soft projectile, and I believe the same thing happened with this 357 bullet.

Part of the difficult challenge with expanding bullets when we choose our handguns is getting a bullet that will expand yet hold together through different velocity ranges. There are bullets that meet this challenge, but yes they are usually "premium" bullets.

Thanks for sharing this experience. Every case of real bullet performance goes into the "data bank" and is always helpful.

Dan

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#189254 - 01/30/18 03:13 PM Re: GP 100 [Re: Muddy]
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went to the range today and got Dawn to shoot some factory hornady 158's she shot them just fine-so she has a go to hunting load and i will load the nosler 158's for practice as they shoot really close to the hornadys and are good enough for paper or steel. hunting hogs in less than two seeks so should have a report on teh xtp's out of the 357

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#189420 - 02/05/18 06:41 PM Re: GP 100 [Re: dave thomas]
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I've had good luck with the 158gr. xtp hp, but the 180 xtp's didn't expand well at all, not saying they are a bad bullet just believe they need to be pushed harder than what you can get out of your standard 357 Mag.

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