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#187051 - 12/03/17 04:40 PM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: 45MAN]
45MAN
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TRADMARK: WHAT DID THE RECOVERED XPB'S LOOK LIKE? WERE THE PETALS GONE AND THE SHANK ACTS LIKE THE REAR END OF A PARTITION, OR WHAT?


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#187069 - 12/04/17 01:11 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: 45MAN]
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Nope, never lost a petal yet and all had perfect expansion about the diameter of a quarter. I even shot a watusi in hondo a year ago right thru the skull. Perfect looking bullet on that as well. I have the skull mount and they had to use about 2? of filler down thru the skull. Bullet blew out a trench of bone. And the first cervical vertebrae and was against the hide perfectly expanded. Bw my son and cousin we havent yet had a petal shear. So far on living animals, not counting penetration tests we have used em on deer, elk, black bear, cougar, lion, wildebeest, kudu, oryx, and waterbuffalo.

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#187070 - 12/04/17 01:14 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: tradmark]
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Not to be pestering ya on this but do u know if he used a factory load or a self loaded round? I only ask because i had followed the loads in the barnes manual and found my velocities to vary strongly from the book with a givem load.

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#187074 - 12/04/17 07:28 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: tradmark]
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TRADMARK: THIS WAS A LONG TIME AGO AND I SUSPECT THEY WERE RELOADS, BUT I AM JUST GUESSING. WHEN YOU SAY "VARY STRONGLY" WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU LOAD A LOT HOTTER OR THAT THEIR LOADS ARE A LOT SLOWER THAN THEY SAY?
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#187081 - 12/04/17 08:29 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: 45MAN]
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No, some loads were over pressure at max at the time and some werent close to max but it was old hogdon info back then. Dont think i used barnes info, up till now they pretty much just listed powders i never use.


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#187142 - 12/04/17 10:27 PM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: tradmark]
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Yeah, until I found the brand new data I just posted, The previous Barnes data only showed one powder.

I was very pleased to see a good selection of powders in this data, and seems like some good stout loads.

I have killed one mule deer buck with the XPB and my own handloads around 1700-1750ish FPS. I recovered both bullets in offside hide, one breaking the shoulder. massive wound channels and bullets looked like you read about. one pedal on one of the bullets partly sheared off, otherwise perfect.



I definitley want to try them again, and hope to see if I can achieve 1850+ fps and get good accuracy in my 7 1/2" FA M83.

I think getting the higher velocity would give me more confidence to use that load for bigger critters like elk


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#187143 - 12/04/17 11:58 PM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: BBwheelgunner]
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What ive found on my hunts is that i just find em on the offside hide. Mt lion thru both shoulders spine and in offside hide. I wouldve been more cautious had is seen that first but i used em on big stuff and they worked down from there. Just keep finding them in offside hide. Same with my cousins lion kudu etc. nothing beats the wound channel and ive never had to track one at all. I do see how it would make someone used to solids feel a little nervous with it being in the offside hide. This is just common sense. A great example of this is the 210 gr aframe. Got a complete pass thru on a bison and then shot an axis buck thru the shoulders and then found it on the offside hide. Great wound channels on both though. Dead critters quickly. I felt bad about the barnes on offside hide of the mt lion but then on another forum saw a post a perfectly intact 435gr 500 linebaugh hardcast with similiar placement in the offside hide. Who knows, but i think we should shoot more stuff and post our results 😀

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#187150 - 12/05/17 09:45 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: tradmark]
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Chest cavity of my mountain lion rearranged by 250 grain XPB......

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#188088 - 12/29/17 11:23 PM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: 45MAN]
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What is the minimum velocity in fps you can effectively take a mule deer buck. I can get some pretty far shooting where I hunt at.
Thanks Norm

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#189210 - 01/29/18 01:02 AM Re: New Barnes Handgun Load Data [Re: wheelguns]
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Ive had good luck with the standard barnes loads in the federal and barnes vortex. Even a marginal hit will at least putnem
Down in 100 yards or so but i took a fallow deer at 160 yds very definitively with the standard barnes federal load out of my 10? fa83, it was down a few yards from where it was hit. its important to note i get over 150 fps more with my 10? fa and 100 fps more from my 7.5? than i do with my 7.5? srh which means at 100yds the 10? fa is near what the srh is at the muzzle so my answer would depend on what gun youre shooting it out of. That said my cousin used his srh with barnes vortex rounds to take that giant cow i posted a pic of at over 50 yards.


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