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#184843 - 10/12/17 07:52 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: pab1]
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300 gr. XTP's IN 45 COLT 454 EQUIVALENT LOADS HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WELL FOR ME ON DEER SIZED GAME, AND I EVEN SHOT A HUGE BODIED ELK WITH ONE (HEART SHOT). IN A 1993 SAFARI I WAS SHOOTING A LOT OF IMPALA FOR LEOPARD BAIT I USED THE FA 300 gr. FP AND THE 300 gr. XTP, BOTH AT 454 VELOCITIES, AND THEY KILLED EQUALLY WELL. THE XTP IS NOT NEAR THE BULLET THE A-FRAME IS BUT THE XTP IS ACCURATE, DEADLY AND COSTS LESS THAN THE A-FRAMES, BUT TODAY I WOULD NOT USE IT FOR GAME LARGER THAN DEER.
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#184917 - 10/13/17 09:53 PM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: 45MAN]
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Rey, If I`am not mistaken, the 45 caliber 300gr. XTP`s you used in the early `90`s were the double crimp groove type as the 300gr. XTP Mag bullet with the single crimp groove was not yet around. Back then I handloaded both the 250 and 300 grain
XTP`s which are now considered for lower velocity 45 Colt loads... I caught hell for running the 250 at 1700+fps in the 454 and tried to explain that the reload info I used for that load came from an early Hornady manual... Think it was #3 or 4
Anyway, I used those bullets to great effect in the field.. Just my $.02.........
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#184920 - 10/14/17 07:34 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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JAMES: BACK THEN THEY WERE REGULAR XTP's AND NOT THE STOUTER XTP MAG. I USED 250 XTP's AT OVER 1,700 fps IN 45 COLT CASES IN MY FA 454's ON A 1991 SAFARI, THEY WERE WAY TOO FANGIBLE FOR USE ON LARGER PLAINS GAME. I HAVE USED THE 300 gr. XTP MAG BULLETS, IN 45 COLT AND 454 BRASS, IN MY FA REVOLVERS @ 1,6XX fps AND THEY ARE DEVASTATING ON DEER. THEY ARE ALSO THE BULLET I MOSTLY USE FOR PRACTICE WITH MY 454 REVOLVERS. I HAVE SOME 300 gr. XTP MAG BULLETS WITH THE DUAL CANNELURE.
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#184922 - 10/14/17 08:29 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: 45MAN]
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JAMES: I CHECKED MY STASH OF 300 gr. .452 XTP MAG BULLETS, THE OLDER ONES CAME WITH 2 CANNELURES, ALL THE NEWER ONES HAVE 1 CANNELURE. MESSING WITH THE CANNELURES, REMINDS ME OF MY WIFE, BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN SHE ALWAYS WANTED TO REARRANGE THE FURNITURE.
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#184926 - 10/14/17 11:36 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: 45MAN]
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How do A frames perform on thin skinned deer of average size?
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#184929 - 10/14/17 04:20 PM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: nytracker]
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Tracker, There is a post on Shooters Bench about the 265 gr Swift and deer.... Some good recommendations there.....
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#184942 - 10/15/17 12:55 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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They work great and open up and dont shed their jackets and weight. They get tougher as they go up in caliber and weight. I routinely shoot end to end with exits in deer and all angles are on the table. Theyre expensive and they arent required for deer sized game but in my book its great to know ya got everything reliably covered and dont have to worry about bone or angle.

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#184953 - 10/15/17 10:17 AM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: pab1]
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Whit, what base is that on your handgun? I don't like the ruger rings on my 45 colt bisley hunter. Looking for a more secure base.
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#184964 - 10/15/17 12:04 PM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: jamesfromjersey]
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
... I caught hell for running the 250 at 1700+fps in the 454 ...


James,

I run the 250's to 1,780 fps out of my 45 Colt Carbine. While that is faster than the Hornady recommended top end velocity of 1600 fps, they are pretty close to the 1600 fps at impact. They are very effective at those speeds on deer, usually leaving golf ball diameter exits. They've always held together well and exited deer. I probably wouldn't want to shoot really large game with them, but for black bear or deer I wouldn't hesitate. Out of the rifle I should shoot the 240 XTP Mag but I have so many of the 250's loaded up already, and they shoot less than 1 MOA.

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#184978 - 10/15/17 03:37 PM Re: a-frame accuracy [Re: MrMcPorkchop]
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Eric, You got me thinking so I opened my Hornady reload manual ( 4th edition )
and looked up the data I used for my FA 454 using their 250gr XTP.. Their Max loads using AA#9, H-110 and 296 run that bullet at 1800fps from a 7 1/2" 454. I used the load a half grain below MAX for a listed MV of 1750fps with my 7 1/2" m-83
Now, if you can`t trust Hornady`s reload info.... who can you trust???
Anyway, this is the load I caught hell for... DAMM, their MAG bullets were not made yet....45Man knows and so do a few more here of what I`am talking about...The manual is dated 1994....

PS.... Eric, I have to ask why you use the heading of
"Mr. McPorkchop"??? Sounds GREAT....
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