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#183183 - 09/04/17 02:35 PM FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS
45MAN
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I SUSPECT THAT IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY RATTLERS AND OTHER POISONOUS SNAKES ARE A THREAT TO YOU, YOUR KIDS, YOUR DOGS, YOUR HORSES, AND MORE. CCI MAKES A VARIETY OF SHOTSHELLS FOR PISTOLS. ALL OF THE ONES SHOWN ABOVE, EXCEPT FOR THE 2nd FROM THE LEFT, ARE CCI. IF CCI MAKES ANY OTHERS, BESIDES PERHAPS SOME RAT SHOT 22 LR's, I AM NOT AWARE OF THEM. THE ONES AHOWN ARE, RIGHT TO LEFT, 22 MAG., 9MM (I HAVE TRIED THESE IN A LUGER, P-38, HIGH POWER, BERRETTA, SIG, GLOCK, AND BROOMHANDLE, AND THEY WILL NOT CYCLE A SEMI-AUTO, BUT THEY DO WORK IN MY SP-101), 38/357, 40 S&W (THESE WILL CYCLE IN A GLOCK SOME TIMES, AND, BECAUSE OF THEIR SHAPE, SIMILAR TO THE 45 AUTO ONE, I WOULD NOT TRY THEM IN A REVOLVER, SEE 45 AUTO DISCUSSION BELOW), 44 SPL/MAG, 45 AUTO (THESE WILL CYCLE IN SEMI-AUTOS, BUT DO NOT TRY THEM IN REVOLVERS AS THEY SUPPOSEDLY SET BACK AND TIE UP THE CYLINDER), 45 AUTO RIM (I LOADED THESE USING EMPTY 45 COLT SHOT CAPSULES AVAILABLE FROM SPEER, FILLED THEM UP WITH #9 SHOT AND LOADED THEM OVER 7.5 GRAINS OF UNIQUE, SLIPPAGE CAN BE A PROBLEM BUT I USED AS HEAVY A 45 ACP CRIMP AS I COULD AND RESIZED THE CASES ONCE THE CAPSULES WERE IN, PERHAPS A LEE FACTORY CRIMP DIE FOR THE 45 AUTO RIM, IF THERE IS SUCH A THING, MAY BE THE ANSWER), AND 45 COLT (AN AWESOME SHOTSHELL). SOME DON'T BELIEVE IN SHOOTING RATTLERS, THEY SAY JUST WALK AROUND THEM. RATTLERS AROUND HERE ARE NOT ENDANGERED, YOU CANNOT ALWAYS AVOID THEM, AND WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES ALONG? WHAT IF THEY ARE IN CAMP, AROUND YOUR HOME? ME AND MY BUDDIES, IF WE SEE THEM AND CAN SHOOT THEM, WE DO.

NOTE THE 2 MAIN GAPS IN CCI SHOTSHELLS FOR REVOLVERS: NONE FOR THE 32's AND NONE FOR 41 MAG.
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#183184 - 09/04/17 03:37 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: 45MAN]
Teep
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It's easy to load your own shot shells by using cardboard for wads between the powder and shot and over the shot. Wax or Elmer's glue works great to seal the top wad. If you can find some #11 or 12 shot they make a much more effective shot shell. There are some videos on Youtube showing how.

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#183185 - 09/04/17 04:32 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: Teep]
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TEEP: I SALVAGED THE #9 SHOT OUT OF SOME SHOTGUN SHELLS, USED WHAT I COULD GET BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND LARGER THAN #9 SHOT AS YOU WOULD END UP WITH TOO FEW BB's. I HAVE NOT USED THE CARDBOARD BUT HAVE LOADED 45 COLT SHOTSHELLS USING GAS CHECKS, THE ONE OVER THE POWDER FACING UP AND THE TOP ONE OVER THE SHOT FACING DOWN AND THEN HELD IN PLACE WITH A CRIMP. WONDER IF ANYONE OUT THERE IS LADING SHOTSHELLS FOR THE 41 AND THE 32's?
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#183193 - 09/05/17 09:47 AM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: 45MAN]
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The only problem I had with shot shells were they didn't kill our big rattlers (from 3 to 7') in the WV mountains) very well until you got to 4-6 feet.
I've treated around 20+ rattler bites. plus a few copperheads, and have seen the damage they do and the misery they cause even with proper treatment.
So, my standard snake load is a HP in .44 or .454 to the head. No head, no bite. I'm not getting that close to these big boys.

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#183195 - 09/05/17 11:50 AM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: wvhitman]
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DOC: LOOKS LIKE YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THE "KILL 'EM IF YOU CAN" SIDE. MY BUDDIES AND I HAVE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH THE 45 ACP SHOTSHELL AND I HAVE DONE WELL WITH THE 45 COLT SHOTSHELL, BUT WHEN IN SNAKE COUNTRY, WE USUALLY HAVE THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS UP BEING SHOTSHELLS. MAYBE I COULD BE A HEAD SHOOTER BUT IT WOULD BE ASKING TOO MUCH OF MY BUDDIES WHO REQUIRE LARGE TARGETS, LIKE A BARN WALL. THANK YOU FOR THE POST RE HOW SERIOUS THESE SNAKE BITES CAN BE.
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#183198 - 09/05/17 07:57 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: 45MAN]
jamesfromjersey Moderator
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Rey, Like I told you earlier... the only poisonous snakes I`am likely to run into around here are the two legged kind...
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#183199 - 09/05/17 08:28 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: 45MAN]
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that the .45ACP shotshells will tie up an S&W 325PD after the first shot. Have not tried them in the S&W 1917

And I'm with you on the rattlers. If they are around my house, they die. Out in the woods, I'll leave them be if I can

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#183202 - 09/05/17 09:20 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: bullsi1911]
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In my experience when a snake is shot with a shot shell from a handgun it usually doesn't kill them. However, they coil themselves into a ball or big cluster allowing for a 2nd shot with a regular round to finish them.

One other note on shot shells. Don't make the mistake I did. I usually take my home made target stand with cardboard backer for short range testing. One day at the range I didn't have it so I stapled my shot testing target to the particle board at the range. I took a shot from 5 steps away and most of the load ricocheted back in my face. Thank God I had glasses on.

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#183203 - 09/05/17 10:09 PM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: ruger4570]
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ALUMINUM BEVERAGE CANS, PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES, POTATOES AND CACTUS PATTIES ARE MY TARGETS OF CHOICE FOR CHECKING SHOTSHELLS.
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"ADAPT OR DIE". I USE ALL CAPS, NOT BECAUSE I AM YELLING, BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN OLD HABIT FROM MY ARMY DAYS, PLUS IT IS EASIER TO TYPE AND READ.

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#183207 - 09/06/17 10:11 AM Re: FYI - PISTOL SHOTSHELLS [Re: 45MAN]
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j.m.h.o. from what little testing i've done with shot shells from a handgun is that it is about 1/2 step above useless. if i was concerned with snakes i would carry a shot single shot 20g.
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