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#179654 - 03/23/17 02:34 PM Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed
spinsail
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I have no experience hand loading cast bullets. I understand that cast bullets are less expensive, cause less wear on the bore and can be sized to achieve a perfect fit with your cylinder throats and bore. These are important benefits.

However, if I accept that and want to use jacketed bullets anyway am I sacrificing anything in terminal effects?

I am loading for a .44 magnum and want a load that will be effective for both hogs and deer. I probably could do fine with an XTP or other jacketed bullet but the locals tell me to be prepared for the possible truly large hog.

I hope to get to cast bullets at some point but for now I want to load jacketed bullets of somewhere between 240 and 280 grains. My research indicated I need look no farther than Partitions, until my research indicated they are no longer sold.

My additional research indicated the Swift A Frame may be the solution. Although it losses a small percentage of weight with penetration it still appears to end up putting a .44 caliber hole all the way through an animal. Speaking without experience, this sounds pretty much like what a hard cast bullet would do.


Would I get any additional benefit by using hard cast instead? (Other than cost, etc., as mentioned earlier)

Thank you for any assistance.

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#179656 - 03/23/17 03:57 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: spinsail]
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I have used both cast and jacketed bullets on a variety of animals including hogs and deer, both will work fine. While I know a lot of people like to use heavy for weight cast bullets, I like them as well, just to keep things in perspective I have killed 5 water buffalo and 1 very large hog using a 44 mag with Hornady 300 gr XTP magnum bullets. My point being if you have the XTPs in 300 gr on hand there is really no need to get anything different unless of course you just want to, then, by all means, go for it. I do it all the time.

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#179666 - 03/23/17 08:19 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: jamautry]
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I'm going to cook up some popcorn and enjoy this thread. Just about everyone on this forum has more experience than I do with handgun hunting, but I know enough to know you will get about a fifty-fifty response to the jacket vs hardcast debate. It's a topic that will never go away, always come back up, and in reality from what I have read through the years not really make to much difference in the long run. I have always favored the jacketed bullets for hunting but carry a 357 mag loaded with 180gr. Bear Load hardcast when scouting or alone in the wild...Go figure.

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#179667 - 03/23/17 08:21 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: jamautry]
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no cast will do the damage that a top flight expandable will do, not all cast hold their shape. if ya need penetration ya use monometal or punch bullets, if ya want damage use a barnes or an aframe, anything less you'd better be hunting deer or just f!ing around. end of the discussion.

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#179668 - 03/23/17 08:24 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: tradmark]
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theres a video where a 454 barnes xbp does the same wound channel and penetrates deeper than a 12 gauge slug. the hardcast load has about a 1.5" wound channel. oddly the larger hardcast don't make a bigger wound channel due to lower velocity. the barnes loaded by doubletap had a wound channel of around 5".

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#179672 - 03/23/17 09:46 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: tradmark]
AK hgunner1
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A good bullet that holds together and does not break up and reaches the vitals will kill. A 44/45/50 caliber hole is still a 44/45/50 caliber hole. It need not expand like a rifle caliber.
A 30 caliber has a long way to expand to hit the 44 caliber mark.


Edited by AK hgunner1 (03/23/17 09:49 PM)
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#179676 - 03/23/17 11:51 PM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: spinsail]
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Six of one, half dozen of the other. Placement is still key, regardless.
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#179677 - 03/24/17 12:15 AM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: s4s4u]
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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Placement is still key, regardless.


Agree
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#179679 - 03/24/17 12:33 AM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: abner]
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 Originally Posted By: abner
I'm going to cook up some popcorn and enjoy this thread.

Me too.

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#179683 - 03/24/17 04:06 AM Re: Terminal Ballistics of Cast v. Jacketed [Re: TN Lone Wolf]
sixshot
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As a dedicated cast bullet user for over 50 years I lean that way for hunting anything big or small & of course you can make them do anything a jacketed bullet will do but, having said that, there are lots of very good jacketed bullets out there that have killed everything on the planet. You just have to match the bullet to the game & then place the bullet correctly, then it's end of discussion. Good cast or good jacketed won't make up for bad hits. The premium jacketed slugs are a fraction of a quality hunt, hopefully you won't need that many so use what you trust. Most of us do like a heavy for caliber bullet but that's because we like exit's & you never can predict the angle you're going to get.

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