#102450 - 02/05/12 03:49 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Russell
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Craig,
I use both the 255gr 'Kieth style' commercial gast and the 255gr LEE 452-255RFN that I cast and the RFN has a larger melplate than the commercial 'Kieth style' so it ought to make a 'better' hunting bullet. IMHO I do know it feeds better in my pistols.
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#102511 - 02/06/12 01:08 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Bearbait in NM
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Russell,
Thanks, and I know we covered some of this in the other thread. I found a partial box of the 250 RNFP's in my pile yesterday, so I can test them right away. The meplat's measure at .250, so they seem "small" according to the usual places. And if the Kieth does not depend upon the meplat for penetration, then is it the driving band, or shoulder that does the "work"? I guess it will be time to head to the recyle center for newspapers ;^)
I think feeding will not be an issue. I know the 250 RNFP's would feed in my Rowlands without too much issue, and my new Brown barrel has a big enough throat to feed hp's, and swc's so far.
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#102546 - 02/06/12 06:43 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Craig,
Your throated Brown barrel ought to feed the swc's. My test pistol for feeding bullet profiles is a WWII Ithica 1911 A1 that has not been altered in any way. If the bullet feeds in it, it'll usually feed in my others. I'm of the opinion that it's more of a magazine function than a throat or ramp. At least that's been my observation after fiddlin' with the acp since my Uncle sam gave me one to use in the mid 60's. 
Russell
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#102549 - 02/06/12 07:25 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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I would think a 250gr rnfp at 1000ish would be about like the 45 Colt of old and I venture to say it's probably killed more game than all other calibers shot by guys on this site! Just guessing...
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#102552 - 02/06/12 07:36 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Bearbait in NM
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Russell,
Thanks, and I I agree completely. As the bullet nose has to bounce off the ramp, then bounce off the top of the chamber, all while getting the base released so the rim can slide under the extractor, the magazines can certainly make or break things. I have a similar "extreme" test, Colt modified lip magazines. I tend to like to use these, knowing that Wilson's will be more forgiving.
The LBT style nose profile, WLN was definately having issues with the stock dimpled Colt throat. Just a tad too wide of a nose to let the case break over the top of the dimple. I have not tested these in the Brown barrel, but it has a lot more clearance on the barrel ramp/throat. But I also have more unsupported case web. Ah, trade-offs.
With your experience, I bet your digging what the 1911 will do. Whooda thunk??
Craig
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#102566 - 02/06/12 08:40 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Thanks for the info guys .
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#102580 - 02/06/12 09:27 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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nytracker,
sorry I kind of wandered from your question. If your 1911 will shoot them and you don't reload, then the Bufalo Bore would be my recomendation. As Syd mentioned, a .45 bullet of that style, weight, and speed has killed a lot of critters since it inception.
Russell
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#102758 - 02/09/12 11:25 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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raptortrapper
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WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!! Are you guys saying you can actually hunt big game with a .45 ACP??!! I gotta try that! I would assume you are limited to deer sized game at the largest??
I've got a stainless Springfield TRP that would LOVE to have a crack at that! I guess I need to see if it is legal here first...
Edited by raptortrapper (02/09/12 11:28 PM)
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#102784 - 02/10/12 10:57 AM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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Bearbait in NM
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Raptor,
We can discuss this here and be reasonable. On 1911 forums these type of discussions turn down hill rapidly.
If you have been around the handgun hunting scene for a while, or even just Single Action places long enough, you will find that the 45 Colt and even the 44 Special have been used a long time to kill critters successfully. In the case of the 45 Colt, the standard safe for Colt "clones" load has been a 250 grainish class bullet (usually lead) at around 900-950 fps. A lot of this has been "lost" these last many years as the majority of folks anymore use bigger guns, and fancier type bullets.
The 45acp really does come in three levels of power. Standard ACP, 45 ACP +p and the 460 Rowland. There is no question the Rowland will meet most folks definition of suitable. It is with the standard or +p that things get a little murky. And matching the type of bullet to game is key, like any caliber. The tough part is that most factory premium ammo is built for the FBI protocal for self defense against humans. Companies like Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon have gone a step further and recognized that the acp and +p loaded with the coreect bullet will do more.
So yes, the first step is to check your game laws. Then you have to get realistic with yourself about limitations as to distance, and game size. Then the fun begins.
Craig
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#102786 - 02/10/12 12:12 PM
Re: sugestions on what 45 acp rounds for hunting
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The 45 ACP will work quite well on deer size game at iron sight distances, just need to have the right bullets for the job.
Bearbait, I'm curious about how a bevel base bullet helps increase neck tension?
Dick
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