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#100734 - 01/19/12 03:51 AM

Cast bullets success in Freedom 97?

zac0419
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I felt like I was cluttering up KRal's FA97 post asking about his cast bullets so I'll start a new thread.

Looking for some input on hunting (wide meplat) cast bullet designs that have worked for you in 45 Colt Freedom Arms 97's. My dad and I found a nice 97 over the holidays. Right now I'm away working for the next month, so I am just trying to compile information.
The goal is a 250-280 gr cast WFN bullet at 1000-1200 fps
I've done searches and read on this, and I think every other forum, trying to find a few choices to start with. I keep waiting for my computer to say "you've reached the end of the internet."

Montana Bullet Works has some pretty good choices for the 97 (<1.6-1.61 OAL) but KRal had accuracy problems with the 250 WFN most likely associated with (he thinks) "cylinder throat fit". KRal what size did you order?

Anyone have any recipes that work well for them in their 97's?

Bullet? FPS? Sized to? Lube? Alloy?

I'd really love to get a WFN 280gr to accurately run at about 1100fps, but the Keith 255 will also get a try. I understand that my own experiments will ultimately be the only way to get what I'm looking for, and I have yet to measure dimensions of my revolver. But I've always found it helps to have info from past experiments in my notes when I jump into a new project.

Oh and since it was a new gun, I'll post a picture.

Edited by zac0419 (01/19/12 03:53 AM)

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#100740 - 01/19/12 07:00 AM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: zac0419]

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Have you looked at Cast Performance's offerings?

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#100746 - 01/19/12 08:59 AM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: Whitworth]

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beartooth has a great 280 i'd suspect would work well.

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#100751 - 01/19/12 09:41 AM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: tradmark]

KRal
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Zac, my bullet dimension is .452. When I get a chance I'm gonna try some .451's. Out of the above mentioned bullet companies, MBW has the largest selection: weight, size, shape, etc. and are cheaper. There's nothing wrong with their bullets, just that paticular one I used in my FA does not shoot. I shoot that same bullet in my SBHH 44mag and its stupid accurate! That's why I started with it in the 97. I'm glad you started this post, hopefully some good info will hit the board.

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#100775 - 01/19/12 01:25 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: KRal]

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I have looked at Beartooth and cast performance. I focused on the MBW because of a softer alloy (22bhn is closer to what I would cast at home) and they offer Veral's LBT WFN bullets. I figure I will get the LBT WFN mold if I find a bullet that works. Their prices are good too.

I have a few of the Miha molds but they will be too long for this gun. I know I can trim brass and crimp over but that stuff is beyond my beginner knowledge at this point. I want to at least have a couple of years loading by the books under my belt before I go experimenting outside published loads.

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#100777 - 01/19/12 02:51 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: zac0419]

KRal
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I've just recently loaded some 44mag 255gr keith style bullets that H2OBUG gave me. When I get a chance, I'm gonna try them in my FA 83. If they shoot in it, I'll probably try some keith's in my 97 and see how they shoot.

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#100791 - 01/19/12 06:15 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: KRal]

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My '97 is a 44 special, but I cannot get the LBT bullets to chamber. The throats are too tight. I have sized some WFN's down to .429 and they still will not chamber. I have no trouble at all with Keith type bullets sized to .430.

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#100793 - 01/19/12 06:51 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: Muddy]

KRal
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Originally Posted By: Muddy

Thanks, that's some good info.

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#100820 - 01/19/12 09:17 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: KRal]

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While I have never tried shooting cast in my M97, I had some 300 gr cast loaded for a Ruger 45 Colt. They would not load into the cylinder of the 97 45 Colt-- too long. I will guess that the M97 cylinder is considerably shorter than some other 45 Colts. But that is to be expected with the tiny size of the 97. Even though it is made of good stuff, I do not punish mine. I do not shoot the 41 mags that I load for the M83 in my m97 41 mag. I keep them down to factory levels for the pretty little 97.

Edited by wtroper (01/19/12 09:18 PM)

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#100826 - 01/19/12 10:07 PM

Re: Cast bullets success in Freedom 97? [Re: wtroper]

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I have 2 ea. unopened 265 Gr Cast Performance 45 Cal Bullets
If you think you can use them I will make you a deal or we can swap for someting. They are WFNGC--had planed to use them on my 45 Colt but have stuck with the old 250 XTP

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